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Re: College Sports Madness Top 144 teams

Postby Hall2012 » Tue Aug 29, 2017 3:06 pm

xusandy wrote:With the Johnnies at #87, and (surely?) the Blue Demons and Hoyas not in the top 144, we'll almost certainly see 7 more BEASTies previewed on this site in the coming weeks. #87 in the preseason could make the tourney with just a bit of over-achievement relative to expectations, but I want to see how many of our teams are top 50 caliber. I tend to focus on top 50 because those are the teams with serious and legit NCAA tourney aspirations/expectations as the season begins.

FWIW, I'll go with 1 more BEASTie ranked here over #50 (Marquette), and everyone else in the top 50. Actually, I think everyone else will be ranked by at least one knowledgeable source as a top 30 team, but we probably won't see any one set of pre-season rankings with 6 of our teams ranked that high. Whatever the pre-season rankings say, we are clearly continuing to improve as a league, season by season. Gonna be a great year for us BEAST fans. May you all go undefeated in your out-of-conference games!


Not almost certainly - 100% certainly. They said they ranked St. John's 8th in the Big East.
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Re: College Sports Madness Top 144 teams

Postby stever20 » Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:45 am

I think it'd be more overachievement required than you would think. St John's at #87 would be the 33rd team outside the NCAA tournament by the projection. The gap between 87 and bare minimum 50 is a pretty big gap.

Heck would argue that St John's would have to overachieve by a little bit to just make the NIT. While yes, they are listed as the 1st team out of the NIT- that doesn't take into account the small conference champions that lose in the conference tourney. Those average 8.71 teams per year in the 68 team era. With all but 1 year at least 8- and 3 of the 7 years with 10+.
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Re: College Sports Madness Top 144 teams

Postby Wizard of Westroads » Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:04 am

Dayton at 53, Arizona State at 52.

Still 7 BE teams to go, St. John's was predicted 87 and 8th in the league.
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Re: College Sports Madness Top 144 teams

Postby Fieldhouse Flyer » Wed Sep 20, 2017 7:11 am

Wizard of Westroads wrote:
Dayton at 53

Related post: # 53 – Dayton Flyers Preview (#3 in A10) – Fieldhouse Flyer, The Dayton Thread... on the Off Topic board - September 20, 2017
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Re: College Sports Madness Top 144 teams

Postby Fieldhouse Flyer » Thu Sep 21, 2017 7:08 pm

In Post # 1, Omaha1 wrote:
St John's checks in at #87. No other Big East teams yet.

http://www.collegesportsmadness.com/men ... 4-previews

CSM published their preseason bubble line today, meaning that CSM is predicting 7 Big East teams in the NCAA Tournament.

(EDIT: Incorrect assumption in the sentence above - see the following two posts.)


#50 Nevada – NCAA
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#51 Wake Forest - NIT
#52 Arizona State - NIT
#53 Dayton - NIT
#54 Georgia Tech - NIT
#55 Indiana - NIT
#56 San Diego State - NIT
#57 Connecticut - NIT
#58 Saint Louis - NIT
#59 Auburn - NIT
#60 North Carolina State - NIT
#61 Western Kentucky - NIT
#62 Wisconsin - NIT
#63 Iowa State - NIT
#64 Vermont - NIT
#65 VCU - NIT

In all probability, some of CSM's Top 50 teams will end up in the NIT, while a number of teams that did not make CSM's Top 50 list will be dancing in March.
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Re: College Sports Madness Top 144 teams

Postby stever20 » Thu Sep 21, 2017 8:42 pm

actually by looking at the numbers...

There are 22 conference champions already known. So 46 NCAA tourney teams left. They are at #50, and so there are 3 more teams left for the NIT prior to the NCAA at larges start showing up.
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Re: College Sports Madness Top 144 teams

Postby MUBoxer » Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:15 am

Marquette at #49 Projected to the NIT pretty much says we'll be an NCAA team if the offense stays what it was last year but if it drops off (and they're betting it will) we'll end up in the NIT. After Buzz's last year and the Henry Ellenson year I don't like the gamble on getting into the NIT.
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Re: College Sports Madness Top 144 teams

Postby Savannah Jay » Fri Sep 22, 2017 2:21 pm

stever20 wrote:actually by looking at the numbers...

There are 22 conference champions already known. So 46 NCAA tourney teams left. They are at #50, and so there are 3 more teams left for the NIT prior to the NCAA at larges start showing up.


Not true...there will be at large teams that get in with "rankings" (RPI, KenPom, etc) over #50 because, of those 22 conference champions, a number of them will also be ranked in the top 50. So there will be at large berths that go to teams outside the "top 46." Heck, if Marquette's ranking is 49 they will probably be in the tournament because they got in last year with an RPI in the 60s.

Last year, I believe 9 automatic bids went to teams that would have gotten in the tourney regardless (so they were also top 50 teams). Duke, Kentucky, Iowa State, Michigan, Arizona, Villanova, Gonzaga, SMU, Wichita. If Rhode Island hadn't secured the automatic, they may have gotten in by getting to championship game. That would have made 10 of the 22 automatics tournament teams anyway.

Using RPI as the "ranking," Michigan State, Northwestern, Virginia Tech, Kansas State, and Providence all got in the tournament despite being "ranked" above 46. I am sure there were others because of the 9 automatics that had RPIs higher than 46.
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Re: College Sports Madness Top 144 teams

Postby stever20 » Fri Sep 22, 2017 3:25 pm

Savannah Jay wrote:
stever20 wrote:actually by looking at the numbers...

There are 22 conference champions already known. So 46 NCAA tourney teams left. They are at #50, and so there are 3 more teams left for the NIT prior to the NCAA at larges start showing up.


Not true...there will be at large teams that get in with "rankings" (RPI, KenPom, etc) over #50 because, of those 22 conference champions, a number of them will also be ranked in the top 50. So there will be at large berths that go to teams outside the "top 46." Heck, if Marquette's ranking is 49 they will probably be in the tournament because they got in last year with an RPI in the 60s.

Last year, I believe 9 automatic bids went to teams that would have gotten in the tourney regardless (so they were also top 50 teams). Duke, Kentucky, Iowa State, Michigan, Arizona, Villanova, Gonzaga, SMU, Wichita. If Rhode Island hadn't secured the automatic, they may have gotten in by getting to championship game. That would have made 10 of the 22 automatics tournament teams anyway.

Using RPI as the "ranking," Michigan State, Northwestern, Virginia Tech, Kansas State, and Providence all got in the tournament despite being "ranked" above 46. I am sure there were others because of the 9 automatics that had RPIs higher than 46.

there are 32 auto bids. 22 of those are known. 10 are left in the final top 48. The other 36 teams in the tourney are the at large teams....

Also, how they are doing it is very similar to the way the NCAA committee does it. I mean, Nevada at #50 was the most recent team in the tourney. For them in the tourney seed list, they would be #47, which is very normal for a team in their position.
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Re: College Sports Madness Top 144 teams

Postby X-man » Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:46 am

In the "For What It's Worth" (great song, BTW, from Buffalo Springfield) department, there are now 45 schools left with 45 spots to be filled in CSM's Bracketology. This means the Beast will have 6 teams in CSM's bracket.
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