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Without implying a split down the road, isn't it important to prop up the 'power narrative' by remaining competitive in "other sports not named mens basketball"?
IMO, this is a lot of what was lost in the divorce. There are really 4 sports that get the lionshare of the attention in collegiate athletics.
1. Football
2. Men's Basketball
3a. Women's Basketball
3b. Baseball
In the split, football was gone and Womens basketball and baseball were destroyed. Losing UConn WBB and Louisville baseball was a death blow.
Currently, St Johns baseball is the last of the Mohicans. Very good baseball team. 30 RPI. However, Seton Hall at 79 is the only other RPI under 100. Everyone else has 3 digit RPIs. Its a 1 bid conference. http://warrennolan.com/baseball/2017/co ... e/Big-East
If this conference is going to put forth the narrative that it is more like the power football conferences than not, don't those other sports matter? Shouldn't those other sports be on the heels (or competitive) with the upper class?
Shouldn't this be a focus of our schools? What if conference networks someday become the standard to be considered part of that upper class? This other sports content would be under a magnifying glass.

Men's Soccer.

[ i changed the title of your thread so that it was less confusing...]

CrawfishBucket wrote:Without implying a split down the road, isn't it important to prop up the 'power narrative' by remaining competitive in "other sports not named mens basketball"?

No

CrawfishBucket wrote:Without implying a split down the road, isn't it important to prop up the 'power narrative' by remaining competitive in "other sports not named mens basketball"?
IMO, this is a lot of what was lost in the divorce. There are really 4 sports that get the lionshare of the attention in collegiate athletics.
1. Football
2. Men's Basketball
3a. Women's Basketball
3b. Baseball
In the split, football was gone and Womens basketball and baseball were destroyed. Losing UConn WBB and Louisville baseball was a death blow.
Currently, St Johns baseball is the last of the Mohicans. Very good baseball team. 30 RPI. However, Seton Hall at 79 is the only other RPI under 100. Everyone else has 3 digit RPIs. Its a 1 bid conference. http://warrennolan.com/baseball/2017/co ... e/Big-East
If this conference is going to put forth the narrative that it is more like the power football conferences than not, don't those other sports matter? Shouldn't those other sports be on the heels (or competitive) with the upper class?
Shouldn't this be a focus of our schools? What if conference networks someday become the standard to be considered part of that upper class? This other sports content would be under a magnifying glass.

Baseball/Soccer/Lax/Hockey > Women's Basketball

EMT wrote:

CrawfishBucket wrote:Without implying a split down the road, isn't it important to prop up the 'power narrative' by remaining competitive in "other sports not named mens basketball"?
IMO, this is a lot of what was lost in the divorce. There are really 4 sports that get the lionshare of the attention in collegiate athletics.
1. Football
2. Men's Basketball
3a. Women's Basketball
3b. Baseball
In the split, football was gone and Womens basketball and baseball were destroyed. Losing UConn WBB and Louisville baseball was a death blow.
Currently, St Johns baseball is the last of the Mohicans. Very good baseball team. 30 RPI. However, Seton Hall at 79 is the only other RPI under 100. Everyone else has 3 digit RPIs. Its a 1 bid conference. http://warrennolan.com/baseball/2017/co ... e/Big-East
If this conference is going to put forth the narrative that it is more like the power football conferences than not, don't those other sports matter? Shouldn't those other sports be on the heels (or competitive) with the upper class?
Shouldn't this be a focus of our schools? What if conference networks someday become the standard to be considered part of that upper class? This other sports content would be under a magnifying glass.

Baseball/Soccer/Lax/Hockey > Women's Basketball

I disagree.

Delaware just poached our WBB Head Coach.

The optics are horrible.

It's necessary for the conference to be competitive in all the higher profile sports. Especially if it has an orange bouncy ball.

https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status ... 8586572800

Jeff Borzello‏Verified account @jeffborzello

Delaware women's hoops got a sitting Big East head coach. Not bad.

Delaware to Introduce Natasha Adair as Women's Basketball Head Coach
Courtesy: Delaware Athletics
Release: 05/14/2017

NEWARK, Del. – University of Delaware Director of Athletics and Recreation Services Chrissi Rawak announced Sunday afternoon that Natasha Adair has been selected as just the fourth women's basketball head coach in the program's illustrious 46-year history.

Adair will be introduced to the Blue Hens community Monday, May 15 at 11:30 a.m. at the Bob Carpenter Center. Fans are invited to attend the welcome announcement at the Bob or follow live online at http://www.facebook.com/DelawareBlueHens.

“It became clear very quickly during this search that Natasha was the right person to lead this program,” remarked Rawak. “She brings a competitive spirit to all she does and is committed to helping young women grow on the court, in the classroom and in the community; embracing and supporting the complete student-athlete experience.”

Adair joins the Blue Hens from Georgetown University, where she turned around a four-win Hoya program to a postseason contender in three seasons as head coach. Behind Adair's leadership this past season, GU finished the year with a 17-13 record, the most wins for the Hoyas since 2011-12, and garnered the team's second straight trip to the Postseason WNIT.

BEXU wrote:

CrawfishBucket wrote:Without implying a split down the road, isn't it important to prop up the 'power narrative' by remaining competitive in "other sports not named mens basketball"?

No

This is so wrong.

The conference needs to cultivate an image that its more like the major conferences than not.

When Delaware poaches sitting Big East coaches that's a head-scratcher.

If you look up and down the standings of the other sports (many of the ones mentioned are revenue producing in good leagues)... and you don't see the BE initials... that's bad.

It looks small-time to lose any conference coach to a Delaware.

CrawfishBucket wrote:

EMT wrote:

CrawfishBucket wrote:Without implying a split down the road, isn't it important to prop up the 'power narrative' by remaining competitive in "other sports not named mens basketball"?
IMO, this is a lot of what was lost in the divorce. There are really 4 sports that get the lionshare of the attention in collegiate athletics.
1. Football
2. Men's Basketball
3a. Women's Basketball
3b. Baseball
In the split, football was gone and Womens basketball and baseball were destroyed. Losing UConn WBB and Louisville baseball was a death blow.
Currently, St Johns baseball is the last of the Mohicans. Very good baseball team. 30 RPI. However, Seton Hall at 79 is the only other RPI under 100. Everyone else has 3 digit RPIs. Its a 1 bid conference. http://warrennolan.com/baseball/2017/co ... e/Big-East
If this conference is going to put forth the narrative that it is more like the power football conferences than not, don't those other sports matter? Shouldn't those other sports be on the heels (or competitive) with the upper class?
Shouldn't this be a focus of our schools? What if conference networks someday become the standard to be considered part of that upper class? This other sports content would be under a magnifying glass.

Baseball/Soccer/Lax/Hockey > Women's Basketball

I disagree.

Delaware just poached our WBB Head Coach.

The optics are horrible.

It's necessary for the conference to be competitive in all the higher profile sports. Especially if it has an orange bouncy ball.

https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status ... 8586572800

Jeff Borzello‏Verified account @jeffborzello

Delaware women's hoops got a sitting Big East head coach. Not bad.

Delaware to Introduce Natasha Adair as Women's Basketball Head Coach
Courtesy: Delaware Athletics
Release: 05/14/2017

NEWARK, Del. – University of Delaware Director of Athletics and Recreation Services Chrissi Rawak announced Sunday afternoon that Natasha Adair has been selected as just the fourth women's basketball head coach in the program's illustrious 46-year history.

Adair will be introduced to the Blue Hens community Monday, May 15 at 11:30 a.m. at the Bob Carpenter Center. Fans are invited to attend the welcome announcement at the Bob or follow live online at http://www.facebook.com/DelawareBlueHens.

“It became clear very quickly during this search that Natasha was the right person to lead this program,” remarked Rawak. “She brings a competitive spirit to all she does and is committed to helping young women grow on the court, in the classroom and in the community; embracing and supporting the complete student-athlete experience.”

Adair joins the Blue Hens from Georgetown University, where she turned around a four-win Hoya program to a postseason contender in three seasons as head coach. Behind Adair's leadership this past season, GU finished the year with a 17-13 record, the most wins for the Hoyas since 2011-12, and garnered the team's second straight trip to the Postseason WNIT.

In either of the men's sports I mentioned above, there is no way that a BE coach would leave for Delaware. It proves that WBB doesn't matter.

It certainly doesn't look good, but I would think that the only people who would care enough about the non-basketball sports would realize the situation. What happened with realignment totally changed everything. I think people realize that we are a basketball-first everything else second conference. As a SJ fan, thankfully our baseball has been good but I do see what people are saying to an extent with the other sports. Men's soccer and baseball (except us) has certainly taken a hit. My point is that people may not expect us to perform at a F5 level in other sports...we are not a bunch of huge football schools good in everything. We simply have basketball pedigrees and that is our focus. We are a bunch of smaller private catholic schools. If our other sports do well then great, but the college athletics scene has totally changed and anyone who knows a bit will know we are essentially major in basketball only.

it says more about georgetown than the big east

i don't think there's much to extrapolate from a trend of one

I'm glad someone raised the topic. I would be fully in favor of the Big East changing the non-revenue sports to "club" sports. Let the P5 have their bloated athletic departments and give 100+ scholarships and have the non FBS football schools focus on 3-4 sports each.