The AAAAAAAC and Advanced Marketing (or Self-Kidding)

[GumbyDamnit!]

Like everything else, context is everything.

If the AAC would've chosen programs strictly going by their current basketball metrics (say Dayton and VCU) the rankings would be different.

The AAC didn't go that route. They decided to build basketball programs at schools that fit the all-sports model. So far, they're yielding pretty decent results. SMU was a 30 win team last year. UCF and Houston got the bye (3rd and 4th seed) in their conference tournament and made the NIT. Each of those teams will be good this year.

The problem has been UConn's struggles with injuries and Memphis rebuilding due to a coaching transition from Pastner to Tubby Smith. Cincinnati also won 30 games last year.

Outside of ECU, there has been an overhaul at USF (Brian Gregory), Tulane (Mike Dunleavy), UCF (Dawkins), SMU (Jankovich), Houston (Sampson), Tulsa (Haith), and Memphis (Tubby).
Only Gregg Marshall (Wichita), Mick Cronin (Cincinnati), Fran Dunphy (Temple), Kevin Ollie (UConn), and Lebo (ECU), were in place before their transition from the OBE to the AAC.

That's why the RPI doesn't say very much. They built their league using a different model than the NBE.

I respect what they've done. Ollie already won a championship in the AAC, so he's gotten some leeway. Dunphy had similar issues with injuries last year as well.

With Wichita State coming in, this will be a big year for the American. It will be a lot closer to the real measure of the league given those new coaches will be closer to having a near full roster of players. Wichita is a Top 5 team with Landry Shamut.

CFB...wah, wah wah...injuries. Everyone gets injuries. Look at X and Creighton last year. Both lose 1st team all-league (and AA) candidates but they keep on marching. Nova loses Spellman and Booth. Don't get me started on how unlucky PC has been with losing players (Ledo, Austin, kids bolting to the NBA, etc.). But they keep winning.

"That's why the RPI doesn't say much...they built their league using a different model." What does this even mean? Are you actually disputing that a league finishing 8th in RPI is somehow much better than what the data suggests? Are you trying to simply state that you THINK the AAC is on the right path. Because that is just a casual opinion with zero basis in fact. How many tourney games has the AAC won in the past 3 years? You guys think you are making these big strides, but here's the thing... you are what your record says. And the AAC has been very pedestrian. You say, just wait until UConn and Temple and Memphis right the ship. Yeah, we have a couple of those programs ourselves: Georgetown, St. John's and DePaul. Heck, even Marq has been only a shell of what is once was. Do you hear anyone crying about those programs taking a step back? Imagine this league if just G'town and Marq. performed like they did the last 10 years of the BE. Sounds a little like UConn, no?

Stever lectured to me in a thread that the SEC was a sleeping giant and had hired (coaches) well and were recruiting at a very high level. So they probably are not within reach of the AAC on any long term basis. So who do you think you really compete with? The P12? The BE? B10? Really? You guys compete with the A10. Nothing wrong with that. The A10 is a decent high mid-major league. And for the last 4 years they have collectively been a better conference than the AAC. Sorry you don't like the RPI but show me the empirical data that suggests I am wrong.

You're a G'town fan too, huh? Yeah, OK.

[stever20]

why do you say games won in tourney for 3 years, but then say A10 better league for 4 years? You can't have your cake and eat it too. Either you use 2014 for wins for both leagues, or you don't go 4 years. And SO much of the A10's case that you guys are making is based off the 2014 season for the A10, with their 6 tourney bids. So you are wanting to use 2014 for the A10's case, but not the AAC's case. Brilliant.

If you use 2014 in wins-
AAC has then 12 wins(and that's even without even considering Wichita, who has 6 wins themselves in the last 4 years)
A10 has then 9 wins

Also, RPI now isn't the only metric. Ken Pom, the AAC has been stronger than the A10 in 3 of the last 4 years, including the last 2. And again, that's without Wichita.

[Hall2012]

Like everything else, context is everything.

If the AAC would've chosen programs strictly going by their current basketball metrics (say Dayton and VCU) the rankings would be different.

The AAC didn't go that route. They decided to build basketball programs at schools that fit the all-sports model. So far, they're yielding pretty decent results. SMU was a 30 win team last year. UCF and Houston got the bye (3rd and 4th seed) in their conference tournament and made the NIT. Each of those teams will be good this year.

The problem has been UConn's struggles with injuries and Memphis rebuilding due to a coaching transition from Pastner to Tubby Smith. Cincinnati also won 30 games last year.

Outside of ECU, there has been an overhaul at USF (Brian Gregory), Tulane (Mike Dunleavy), UCF (Dawkins), SMU (Jankovich), Houston (Sampson), Tulsa (Haith), and Memphis (Tubby).
Only Gregg Marshall (Wichita), Mick Cronin (Cincinnati), Fran Dunphy (Temple), Kevin Ollie (UConn), and Lebo (ECU), were in place before their transition from the OBE to the AAC.

That's why the RPI doesn't say very much. They built their league using a different model than the NBE.

I respect what they've done. Ollie already won a championship in the AAC, so he's gotten some leeway. Dunphy had similar issues with injuries last year as well.

With Wichita State coming in, this will be a big year for the American. It will be a lot closer to the real measure of the league given those new coaches will be closer to having a near full roster of players. Wichita is a Top 5 team with Landry Shamut.

CFB...wah, wah wah...injuries. Everyone gets injuries. Look at X and Creighton last year. Both lose 1st team all-league (and AA) candidates but they keep on marching. Nova loses Spellman and Booth. Don't get me started on how unlucky PC has been with losing players (Ledo, Austin, kids bolting to the NBA, etc.). But they keep winning.

"That's why the RPI doesn't say much...they built their league using a different model." What does this even mean? Are you actually disputing that a league finishing 8th in RPI is somehow much better than what the data suggests? Are you trying to simply state that you THINK the AAC is on the right path. Because that is just a casual opinion with zero basis in fact. How many tourney games has the AAC won in the past 3 years? You guys think you are making these big strides, but here's the thing... you are what your record says. And the AAC has been very pedestrian. You say, just wait until UConn and Temple and Memphis right the ship. Yeah, we have a couple of those programs ourselves: Georgetown, St. John's and DePaul. Heck, even Marq has been only a shell of what is once was. Do you hear anyone crying about those programs taking a step back? Imagine this league if just G'town and Marq. performed like they did the last 10 years of the BE. Sounds a little like UConn, no?

Stever lectured to me in a thread that the SEC was a sleeping giant and had hired (coaches) well and were recruiting at a very high level. So they probably are not within reach of the AAC on any long term basis. So who do you think you really compete with? The P12? The BE? B10? Really? You guys compete with the A10. Nothing wrong with that. The A10 is a decent high mid-major league. And for the last 4 years they have collectively been a better conference than the AAC. Sorry you don't like the RPI but show me the empirical data that suggests I am wrong.

You're a G'town fan too, huh? Yeah, OK.

Of course he's not. The fact that he still insists on calling the Big East the "NBE" or "New Big East" is all the evidence needed to see that he's not a fan of Georgetown or any other Big East team.

[CrawfishBucket]

Like everything else, context is everything.

If the AAC would've chosen programs strictly going by their current basketball metrics (say Dayton and VCU) the rankings would be different.

The AAC didn't go that route. They decided to build basketball programs at schools that fit the all-sports model. So far, they're yielding pretty decent results. SMU was a 30 win team last year. UCF and Houston got the bye (3rd and 4th seed) in their conference tournament and made the NIT. Each of those teams will be good this year.

The problem has been UConn's struggles with injuries and Memphis rebuilding due to a coaching transition from Pastner to Tubby Smith. Cincinnati also won 30 games last year.

Outside of ECU, there has been an overhaul at USF (Brian Gregory), Tulane (Mike Dunleavy), UCF (Dawkins), SMU (Jankovich), Houston (Sampson), Tulsa (Haith), and Memphis (Tubby).
Only Gregg Marshall (Wichita), Mick Cronin (Cincinnati), Fran Dunphy (Temple), Kevin Ollie (UConn), and Lebo (ECU), were in place before their transition from the OBE to the AAC.

That's why the RPI doesn't say very much. They built their league using a different model than the NBE.

I respect what they've done. Ollie already won a championship in the AAC, so he's gotten some leeway. Dunphy had similar issues with injuries last year as well.

With Wichita State coming in, this will be a big year for the American. It will be a lot closer to the real measure of the league given those new coaches will be closer to having a near full roster of players. Wichita is a Top 5 team with Landry Shamut.

CFB...wah, wah wah...injuries. Everyone gets injuries. Look at X and Creighton last year. Both lose 1st team all-league (and AA) candidates but they keep on marching. Nova loses Spellman and Booth. Don't get me started on how unlucky PC has been with losing players (Ledo, Austin, kids bolting to the NBA, etc.). But they keep winning.

"That's why the RPI doesn't say much...they built their league using a different model." What does this even mean? Are you actually disputing that a league finishing 8th in RPI is somehow much better than what the data suggests? Are you trying to simply state that you THINK the AAC is on the right path. Because that is just a casual opinion with zero basis in fact. How many tourney games has the AAC won in the past 3 years? You guys think you are making these big strides, but here's the thing... you are what your record says. And the AAC has been very pedestrian. You say, just wait until UConn and Temple and Memphis right the ship. Yeah, we have a couple of those programs ourselves: Georgetown, St. John's and DePaul. Heck, even Marq has been only a shell of what is once was. Do you hear anyone crying about those programs taking a step back? Imagine this league if just G'town and Marq. performed like they did the last 10 years of the BE. Sounds a little like UConn, no?

Stever lectured to me in a thread that the SEC was a sleeping giant and had hired (coaches) well and were recruiting at a very high level. So they probably are not within reach of the AAC on any long term basis. So who do you think you really compete with? The P12? The BE? B10? Really? You guys compete with the A10. Nothing wrong with that. The A10 is a decent high mid-major league. And for the last 4 years they have collectively been a better conference than the AAC. Sorry you don't like the RPI but show me the empirical data that suggests I am wrong.

You're a G'town fan too, huh? Yeah, OK.

Of course he's not. The fact that he still insists on calling the Big East the "NBE" or "New Big East" is all the evidence needed to see that he's not a fan of Georgetown or any other Big East team.

Huh? Even Patrick Ewing says its a brand new conference. He's learning who the teams are.

I've got nothing but love for the NBE.

[NJRedman]

CFB...wah, wah wah...injuries. Everyone gets injuries. Look at X and Creighton last year. Both lose 1st team all-league (and AA) candidates but they keep on marching. Nova loses Spellman and Booth. Don't get me started on how unlucky PC has been with losing players (Ledo, Austin, kids bolting to the NBA, etc.). But they keep winning.

"That's why the RPI doesn't say much...they built their league using a different model." What does this even mean? Are you actually disputing that a league finishing 8th in RPI is somehow much better than what the data suggests? Are you trying to simply state that you THINK the AAC is on the right path. Because that is just a casual opinion with zero basis in fact. How many tourney games has the AAC won in the past 3 years? You guys think you are making these big strides, but here's the thing... you are what your record says. And the AAC has been very pedestrian. You say, just wait until UConn and Temple and Memphis right the ship. Yeah, we have a couple of those programs ourselves: Georgetown, St. John's and DePaul. Heck, even Marq has been only a shell of what is once was. Do you hear anyone crying about those programs taking a step back? Imagine this league if just G'town and Marq. performed like they did the last 10 years of the BE. Sounds a little like UConn, no?

Stever lectured to me in a thread that the SEC was a sleeping giant and had hired (coaches) well and were recruiting at a very high level. So they probably are not within reach of the AAC on any long term basis. So who do you think you really compete with? The P12? The BE? B10? Really? You guys compete with the A10. Nothing wrong with that. The A10 is a decent high mid-major league. And for the last 4 years they have collectively been a better conference than the AAC. Sorry you don't like the RPI but show me the empirical data that suggests I am wrong.

You're a G'town fan too, huh? Yeah, OK.

Of course he's not. The fact that he still insists on calling the Big East the "NBE" or "New Big East" is all the evidence needed to see that he's not a fan of Georgetown or any other Big East team.

Huh? Even Patrick Ewing says its a brand new conference. He's learning who the teams are.

I've got nothing but love for the NBE.

No I agree, no Big East fan calls it the New Big East. So hit the bricks you phony.

Funny how all the fakes use Gtown as their fake school.

[GumbyDamnit!]

I'd tell him to go take it to the AAC board, but seriously I can't find one. Is there one out there? Stever, didn't you used to moderate one? What happened? Did it match the same fan support as the AAC tourney venues?

[CrawfishBucket]

No I agree, no Big East fan calls it the New Big East. So hit the bricks you phony.

Funny how all the fakes use Gtown as their fake school.

Here's the Wikipedia page for the present Big East conference.

Note: The history starts in 2013.

"The Big East Conference (stylized as BIG EAST) is a collegiate athletic conference that competes in NCAA Division I in all sports except football, which is not sponsored. The conference has been officially recognized as a Division I multi-sport conference, effective on August 1, 2013."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_East_Conference

There is a distinction. Everyone of the current 10 members is considered a charter school of this conference.

Here's the Wikipedia page for the original.

http://bit.ly/1TwsGhn

[EMT]

Wikipedia.......Hilarious.

Big East Conference
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/con ... /big-east/

Beg East Players of the Year
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/awa ... t-poy.html

Big East Leaders
http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/con ... t/leaders/

[BEXU]

Craw mentions UD or VCU or one of their coaches in about every post, so I suspect he is an A-10 troll wishing for a spot in the BE. Ignore.

[milksteak]

Craw mentions UD or VCU or one of their coaches in about every post, so I suspect he is an A-10 troll wishing for a spot in the BE. Ignore.

The trolls always identify themselves as Georgetown fans. Kinda odd.