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Re: The AAAAAAAC and Advanced Marketing (or Self-Kidding)

Postby Hall2012 » Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:02 am

CrawfishBucket wrote:
Actually, the ACC could stake a claim to the Big East name... which is a peripheral part of this issue.

The reason they call it the New (or 'Present') Big East is because the 10 Charter members essentially created something new but bought the old logos from the lineal group.

That's what happened and there is nothing wrong with that.


Who's they? The official name of the conference is the Big East. Media refer to it as the Big East. People associated with the league, other leagues, and the NCAA refer to it as the Big East.

Some media initially added the "new" prefix immediately following the split to add clarity, because at the time - they realistically could have been referring to the Big East under either make up depending on if they were talking about the previous or following season. Nobody does that anymore. The only people who still insist on always prefacing it with the word "new" are those who attempt to do so in a derogatory fashion. It's no different than those who think they're being cute by calling it the "Big Least."

Yes, the Big East Conference is, from an official business perspective, a brand new entity created in 2013. However, from a basketball perspective, it's still the Big East. It still claims the history and records of the original conference, as does the AAC, and I believe both have a right to. The AAC does as it is the same legal entity as the original Big East and the Big East does as its current makeup is more in line with the original league. The Big East has 4 (5 if you give Nova a 1 year pass) founding members of Dave Gavitt's league to the AAC's 1. In fact, only 3 of the AAC's 14 members have ever played a basketball game under the Big East name.
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Re: The AAAAAAAC and Advanced Marketing (or Self-Kidding)

Postby Savannah Jay » Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:17 am

stever20 wrote:I don't think folks call it the New Big East any more really. But I also do think the pre-2014 version of the conference is viewed as being the Old Big East. It's not viewed as a continuous entity by most people.

Why they don't do the same for the other conferences? Because the other conferences didn't basically split in half all at once. Huge difference there.


The difference being the schools (and fans) of the "old Big East" who suddenly ended up in a conference they don't want to be in...that's the difference. The current conference configurations fall into two categories. Conferences that have attracted new members because, well, association with that conference is attractive. And those that are made up of schools that, for lack of a better term, don't have a better option.

EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL in the AAC would leave for another conference if any of the big football-playing conferences came calling. Every one of them would leave. They are the island of misfit toys right now. And the fans of schools that used to be in an elite conference and now find themselves in the AAC have (somewhat understandably, IMO) a bug up their arse. But the haters shouldn't hate on the Big East because they wanted to associate with like-minded schools or that they negotiated to keep the Big East name. The hate should be directed at the school administrators who keep chasing the almighty football dollars to the detriment, IMO, of the university as a whole that allowed this to happen to their school.
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Re: The AAAAAAAC and Advanced Marketing (or Self-Kidding)

Postby CrawfishBucket » Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:27 am

Savannah Jay wrote:EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL in the AAC would leave for another conference if any of the big football-playing conferences came calling. Every one of them would leave.


That frame needs a little adjusting.

EVERYONE not included in an autonomy conference would leave at the drop of the hat to join one. That includes programs in basketball-centric conferences as well. The AAC is just the conference that provides the most realistic chance to get the golden ticket.
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Re: The AAAAAAAC and Advanced Marketing (or Self-Kidding)

Postby Savannah Jay » Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:15 am

CrawfishBucket wrote:
Savannah Jay wrote:EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL in the AAC would leave for another conference if any of the big football-playing conferences came calling. Every one of them would leave.


That frame needs a little adjusting.

EVERYONE not included in an autonomy conference would leave at the drop of the hat to join one. That includes programs in basketball-centric conferences as well. The AAC is just the conference that provides the most realistic chance to get the golden ticket.


Now that's funny.
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Re: The AAAAAAAC and Advanced Marketing (or Self-Kidding)

Postby NJRedman » Tue Jun 13, 2017 4:07 pm

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Savannah Jay wrote:EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL in the AAC would leave for another conference if any of the big football-playing conferences came calling. Every one of them would leave.


That frame needs a little adjusting.

EVERYONE not included in an autonomy conference would leave at the drop of the hat to join one. That includes programs in basketball-centric conferences as well. The AAC is just the conference that provides the most realistic chance to get the golden ticket.


No, they wouldn't. Georgetown wouldn't jump to the ACC to be paid the same amount and treated like a second class citizen with no voice in league matters.
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Re: The AAAAAAAC and Advanced Marketing (or Self-Kidding)

Postby Burrito » Tue Jun 13, 2017 5:58 pm

CrawfishBucket wrote:
Savannah Jay wrote:EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL in the AAC would leave for another conference if any of the big football-playing conferences came calling. Every one of them would leave.


That frame needs a little adjusting.

EVERYONE not included in an autonomy conference would leave at the drop of the hat to join one. That includes programs in basketball-centric conferences as well. The AAC is just the conference that provides the most realistic chance to get the golden ticket.


Schools switch conferences for more money. The Big East schools are already making as much as Notre Dame is in the ACC as a non football member. So there wouldn’t be much of a pay raise, if any.
Also, if any Big East school were to join the ACC, they would be on the periphery in regards to decision making for the conference. Not much of an incentive.
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Re: The AAAAAAAC and Advanced Marketing (or Self-Kidding)

Postby Xavier4036 » Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:06 pm

CrawfishBucket wrote:
Savannah Jay wrote:EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL in the AAC would leave for another conference if any of the big football-playing conferences came calling. Every one of them would leave.


That frame needs a little adjusting.

EVERYONE not included in an autonomy conference would leave at the drop of the hat to join one. That includes programs in basketball-centric conferences as well. The AAC is just the conference that provides the most realistic chance to get the golden ticket.


You do realize the Catholic 7 schools decided to BREAK UP an "autonomy conference" and go back to the original Big East of a men's basketball-centric, private, major metro area schools. And the Big East is thriving. Top 3 conference in the country.

Schools in the Big East have no desire to go back to a football-dominated league.

On the other hand, you have schools in the American Athletic literally begging for any Football power conference to take them. The amount of public groveling UC did to get into the Big 12 and then ultimately rejected was sad, and frankly embarrassing to the American Athletic.

From a basketball perspective, you have what is the 7th or 8th conference in the country that routinely gets 2-3 teams in the tournament. The American Athletic sucks. Has very little to do with the Big East. Not near at the same level. The Big East and American Athletic teams don't regularly play each other.

Yet Crawfish and Stever are alleged fans of Georgetown and the Big East and continuing to constantly inundate this board with crap about the American (and ironically, no other conference like the ACC or Big 10 or Big 12, etc.) and what potential it has and all the woulda/coulda/shoulda's over the past 4 years with the American. Unfortunately, the results are the results.
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Re: The AAAAAAAC and Advanced Marketing (or Self-Kidding)

Postby GoldenWarrior11 » Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:56 pm

Ok, the AAC has not had any programs poached by a P5 conference. In this regard, they are in the same vein as the MWC, C-USA, MAC and Sun Belt. Louisville and Rutgers, while in the AAC for a single year, were poached before the branding of the American and when they were still under the Big East banner. Last fall, the Big 12 decided not to extend any invitations to any programs within the G5. Factually speaking, the AAC is as good as sending teams into the P5 as the Mountain West et al.

This whole movement about the AAC being a power conference, or - even better - not to be associated with the G5, is really quite amusing. They don't have the autonomy. They don't have the budgets. They don't have the on-field/on-court success. They don't have the fan support. They don't have facilities. They don't have the acceptance, period. Does not being a power conference make them a bad conference? Absolutely not, but this beating the chest slash defiance saying that the parameters for P5 inclusion are not what they are (or what they should be) is truly bizarre. It's like a hippo in disbelief that it is not a zebra.

Must be off-season...
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Re: The AAAAAAAC and Advanced Marketing (or Self-Kidding)

Postby CrawfishBucket » Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:29 pm

GoldenWarrior11 wrote:Ok, the AAC has not had any programs poached by a P5 conference. In this regard, they are in the same vein as the MWC, C-USA, MAC and Sun Belt. Louisville and Rutgers, while in the AAC for a single year, were poached before the branding of the American and when they were still under the Big East banner. Last fall, the Big 12 decided not to extend any invitations to any programs within the G5. Factually speaking, the AAC is as good as sending teams into the P5 as the Mountain West et al.

This whole movement about the AAC being a power conference, or - even better - not to be associated with the G5, is really quite amusing. They don't have the autonomy. They don't have the budgets. They don't have the on-field/on-court success. They don't have the fan support. They don't have facilities. They don't have the acceptance, period. Does not being a power conference make them a bad conference? Absolutely not, but this beating the chest slash defiance saying that the parameters for P5 inclusion are not what they are (or what they should be) is truly bizarre. It's like a hippo in disbelief that it is not a zebra.

Must be off-season...


I think everyone has their own measures for all of those things. Whether they are in the AAC, Big East, ACC, etc. Whether you're talking about RPI, Television ratings, wins over Top 25/20/10/5/etc.
They, like us, don't have to argue that they are as good or better. Whether you want to argue P5, P6, or Major 7 like CBS. http://www.cbssports.com/college-basket ... at-butler/

All these debates really center on where the line is between the haves and the have-nots. It's the arbitrary placement of that line that causes perception.. whether you're 5,6, or 7.
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Re: The AAAAAAAC and Advanced Marketing (or Self-Kidding)

Postby billyjack » Tue Jun 13, 2017 9:54 pm

non sequitur. just words on paper. lorem ipsum.
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