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First 4 years in:

Team - Overall -- Conf -- BET -- NCAA

Vnova -- 129-17 -- *63-9 --- 8-2 -- 9-3
Xavier --- 96-47 -- 42-30 -- 6-4 -- 6-4
Prov. ---- 89-48 -- 41-31 -- 5-3 -- 1-4
Butler --- 84-48 -- 38-34 -- 0-4 -- 4-3
Creight -- 86-52 -- 37-35 -- 5-4 -- 1-2
SHU ------ 79-53 -- 34-38 -- 6-3 -- 0-2
G'town -- 69-62 -- 32-40 -- 2-4 -- 1-1
Marq. --- 69-60 -- 31-41 -- 2-4 -- 0-1
SJU ------ 63-68 -- 28-44 -- 1-4 -- 0-1
DePaul -- 42-89 -- 14-58 -- 1-4 -- 0-0

I ranked them based on 4 year performance.

*fixed. Good catch Stever.

Some thoughts looking at this list...

- 4 years ago everyone was convinced that G'town and Marq. would need to do a lot of heavy lifting for the conference to be successful... Not so much there.
- Providence has quietly become one of the biggest winners in college BB conference realignment. BC = terrible, UConn = struggling since leaving BE; URI = lost it's coach. UMass = terrible. Thinking that PC has the opportunity to put a strangle-hold on the New England hoops scene.
- Why can't Butler win in NYC?
- Why can't SJU win on their home floor in the BET?
- Depaul fans must be so depressed... feel sorry for those guys.
- 3 of top 5 are the new invites. Don't I remember correctly that many C7 fans were predicting those programs to sink towards the bottom? I guess there's some crow on the menu. Great additions.

yeah I think if I had told folks 4 years ago that Georgetown, Marquette, and even really St John's would be 91-125 in 4 years of Big East play, I think there would have been massive fear. Especially combined with Butler and Creighton only being 75-69.....

your conference # for Nova is wrong- they should have 72 games(your 57-9 would be 66 games).

I do think a good point about PC. But one thing- URI didn't lose Hurley. It's going to be interesting with UConn next few years.

The conference just needs to fix the NCAA performance and all is good. only 22-21 for 1st 4 years. That's the one last hill to climb if you will.

Thanks for doing this....

Couple of things: URI didn't lose their coach....

PC has been great but a great part of their success was hiring Cooley at the end of the OBE. He actually got that Dunn/Ledo class prior to the change. A lot of PC fans lament that Cooley didn't have a few years prior to realignment to prove himself against that juggernaut.

SJU's home floor is Carnesecca Arena. I doubt whether they even get to practice at the Garden. I think it only gives them a slight advantage over the rest of the schools.

GumbyDamnit! wrote:
First 4 years in:

Team - Overall -- Conf -- BET -- NCAA

Vnova -- 129-17 -- 57-9 --- 8-2 -- 9-3
Xavier --- 96-47 -- 42-30 -- 6-4 -- 6-4
Prov. ---- 89-48 -- 41-31 -- 5-3 -- 1-4
Butler --- 84-48 -- 38-34 -- 0-4 -- 4-3
Creight -- 86-52 -- 37-35 -- 5-4 -- 1-2
SHU ------ 79-53 -- 34-38 -- 6-3 -- 0-2
G'town -- 69-62 -- 32-40 -- 2-4 -- 1-1
Marq. --- 69-60 -- 31-41 -- 2-4 -- 0-1
SJU ------ 63-68 -- 28-44 -- 1-4 -- 0-1
DePaul -- 42-89 -- 14-58 -- 1-4 -- 0-0

I ranked them based on 4 year performance.

Excellent, informative post, GumbyDamnit! The 1-to-10 rankings in your listing above exactly match the 1-to-10 rankings in the listing below.

Fieldhouse Flyer wrote:
4-Year Average Final RPI Ranking - Team ( 2013-14 RPI Ranking • 2014-15 RPI Ranking • 2015-16 RPI Ranking • 2016-17 RPI Ranking )

4 - Villanova ( 8 • 6 • 2 • 3 )
29 - Xavier ( 56 • 28 • 8 • 27 )
41 - Providence ( 46 • 25 • 32 • 61 )
62 - Butler ( 154 • 30 • 53 • 13 )
75 - Creighton ( 17 • 157 • 94 • 32 )
77 - Seton Hall ( 136 • 103 • 23 • 46 )
79 - Georgetown ( 75 • 24 • 103 • 115 )
104 - Marquette ( 94 • 145 • 111 • 67 )
131 - St. John's ( 82 • 52 • 245 • 148 )
197 - DePaul ( 157 • 197 • 201 • 236 )

GumbyDamnit! wrote:Some thoughts looking at this list...

- 4 years ago everyone was convinced that G'town and Marq. would need to do a lot of heavy lifting for the conference to be successful... Not so much there.
- Providence has quietly become one of the biggest winners in college BB conference realignment. BC = terrible, UConn = struggling since leaving BE; URI = lost it's coach. UMass = terrible. Thinking that PC has the opportunity to put a strangle-hold on the New England hoops scene.
- Why can't Butler win in NYC?
- Why can't SJU win on their home floor in the BET?
- Depaul fans must be so depressed... feel sorry for those guys.
- 3 of top 5 are the new invites. Don't I remember correctly that many C7 fans were predicting those programs to sink towards the bottom? I guess there's some crow on the menu. Great additions.

The school rolled snake eyes at the start of the BE. Gavitt had put his worst recruiting class ever together, stepped down as head coach to lead the new Big East Conference. Providence hired Gary Walters who would become one of the great athletic directors in the country at Princeton but was not a good coach. PC never recovered and when they made any kind of headway at all the coaches left. Pitino, Barnes, Gillen. PC struggled for 30 years to try and regain lost glory.

This time it was all Aces. A President who is committed as anyone anywhere to basketball success at PC, who also happened to be an alum. Then you have a top AD who made the hire of a lifetime in Ed Cooley. Now you have historic rivals in NE all being losers in the realignment game essentially. So as bad as it was when the BE started, ALL the stars have aligned this time. PC is very very fortunate in how all this worked out. Maybe the lord is a Dominican after all.

Nice - no arguing about unbalanced schedule!

GumbyDamnit! wrote:Some thoughts looking at this list...

- 4 years ago everyone was convinced that G'town and Marq. would need to do a lot of heavy lifting for the conference to be successful... Not so much there.
- Providence has quietly become one of the biggest winners in college BB conference realignment. BC = terrible, UConn = struggling since leaving BE; URI = lost it's coach. UMass = terrible. Thinking that PC has the opportunity to put a strangle-hold on the New England hoops scene.
- Why can't Butler win in NYC?
- Why can't SJU win on their home floor in the BET?
- Depaul fans must be so depressed... feel sorry for those guys.
- 3 of top 5 are the new invites. Don't I remember correctly that many C7 fans were predicting those programs to sink towards the bottom? I guess there's some crow on the menu. Great additions.

No arguing the new additions have been a God-send (please don't kill me for the pun). They have performed amazingly since realignment. I might take a little flack from other MU fans for this but I consider the first 3 years of the BE to be the worst stretch in MU history since the 1965-66 season. I base this on it being the first time since then that we have missed even the NIT 3 years in a row. It looks like Wojo has us headed in the right direction and hopefully 4 years from now our numbers look much better.

marquette wrote:

GumbyDamnit! wrote:Some thoughts looking at this list...

- 4 years ago everyone was convinced that G'town and Marq. would need to do a lot of heavy lifting for the conference to be successful... Not so much there.
- Providence has quietly become one of the biggest winners in college BB conference realignment. BC = terrible, UConn = struggling since leaving BE; URI = lost it's coach. UMass = terrible. Thinking that PC has the opportunity to put a strangle-hold on the New England hoops scene.
- Why can't Butler win in NYC?
- Why can't SJU win on their home floor in the BET?
- Depaul fans must be so depressed... feel sorry for those guys.
- 3 of top 5 are the new invites. Don't I remember correctly that many C7 fans were predicting those programs to sink towards the bottom? I guess there's some crow on the menu. Great additions.

No arguing the new additions have been a God-send (please don't kill me for the pun). They have performed amazingly since realignment. I might take a little flack from other MU fans for this but I consider the first 3 years of the BE to be the worst stretch in MU history since the 1965-66 season. I base this on it being the first time since then that we have missed even the NIT 3 years in a row. It looks like Wojo has us headed in the right direction and hopefully 4 years from now our numbers look much better.

worst period in terms of postseason success but we have endured worse three and four year periods in terms of wins and losses.

Nova should follow the other OBE to the ACC. The kids from Radnor are just flat out kicking our asses. Foul, foul!

I only wish that St John's, Georgetown, or Marquette would do something about this woeful imbalance. We newbies, and the conference needs them to stand up and put Nova in check. Hmmm, I guess the damned newbies will have to stand up and begin to do the work.

Seriously, all the credit to Jay and the Villanova program. The university is doing the work and doing it correctly. I, for 1 am both proud and envious as hell. Villanova is the standard, standard-bearer, and flagship program of the Big East. A worthy leader, program to emulate, and the team to beat.

Beat the Best to be the best. Villanova has set the bar quite high - a worthy goal, indeed!

PS: nice work Gumby.