Geography & Expansion: When Creighton was invited...

[Edrick]

In order to see both Spokane & New York on the map at the same time requires zoom that also works for showing New York and Portugal.

False equivalency is false.

[EMT]

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2017/03/elite-eight-ratings-tbs-gonzaga-xavier-lowest-years/

So... Are we alluding that when in the Elite Eight - always play Duke, on a Sunday afternoon?

We are alluding to an increase in the value of the TV contract from adding a small private school in a very small market.

http://www.stationindex.com/tv/tv-markets

[butlerguy03]

We are alluding to an increase in the value of the TV contract from adding a small private school in a very small market.

http://www.stationindex.com/tv/tv-markets

Individual market size is meaningless unless you are a local advertiser or regionally-based TV station or network. Does the school bring eyeballs? That's all Fox cares about. They wouldn't care who we add as long as it adds numbers (and potentially takes away from ESPN). Gonzaga has the potential to add numbers. Most other (realistic) schools thrown around on here don't (Dayton, St. Louis, etc.).

Creighton wasn't added because of market size or recruiting location. It was added because of the connection with Marquette and the conference benefited from a school that had the best player in the nation in it's first year. Butler and Xavier were added because both fit well within the conference and matches what the conference wanted from a basketball-first school. Neither Butler nor Xavier will ever be #1 in the market, even if they win a championship. However, name recognition and tournament success brought eyeballs. Doug McDermott brought eyeballs.

Dayton, St. Louis and other private schools do not bring eyeballs. VCU and Wichita State have large alumni bases and are basketball-first schools, but are public and in all fairness, don't bring a lot of numbers. UConn would bring numbers - but is a unrealistic expectation (for now).

[Bill Marsh]

In order to see both Spokane & New York on the map at the same time requires zoom that also works for showing New York and Portugal.

False equivalency is false.

It's the 21st century, the global village. Travel time is what matters, not distance.

[EMT]

We are alluding to an increase in the value of the TV contract from adding a small private school in a very small market.

http://www.stationindex.com/tv/tv-markets

Individual market size is meaningless unless you are a local advertiser or regionally-based TV station or network. Does the school bring eyeballs? That's all Fox cares about. They wouldn't care who we add as long as it adds numbers (and potentially takes away from ESPN). Gonzaga has the potential to add numbers. Most other (realistic) schools thrown around on here don't (Dayton, St. Louis, etc.).

Creighton wasn't added because of market size or recruiting location. It was added because of the connection with Marquette and the conference benefited from a school that had the best player in the nation in it's first year. Butler and Xavier were added because both fit well within the conference and matches what the conference wanted from a basketball-first school. Neither Butler nor Xavier will ever be #1 in the market, even if they win a championship. However, name recognition and tournament success brought eyeballs. Doug McDermott brought eyeballs.

Dayton, St. Louis and other private schools do not bring eyeballs. VCU and Wichita State have large alumni bases and are basketball-first schools, but are public and in all fairness, don't bring a lot of numbers. UConn would bring numbers - but is a unrealistic expectation (for now).

If Gonzaga could work, go for it. I'm just disputing the statement that Gonzaga help with TV. I don't think it does.

[Hall2012]

If you were to draw a line down the middle of the continental US, at least Omaha is still on the eastern half. I actually think this thread creates a better case for adding Saint Louis, as it would help bridge the gap between Marquette/DePaul and Creighton

[Bill Marsh]

If you were to draw a line down the middle of the continental US, at least Omaha is still on the eastern half. I actually think this thread creates a better case for adding Saint Louis, as it would help bridge the gap between Marquette/DePaul and Creighton

TBH, I don't understand the idea of "bridging the gap" in the era of air travel. You go up, you come down. You don't pass through any place along the way. The only question is how long you stay up. Besides, if you draw a line from Chicago/Milwaukee to Omaha, you won't find St Louis anywhere close to it.

[Edrick]

In order to see both Spokane & New York on the map at the same time requires zoom that also works for showing New York and Portugal.

False equivalency is false.

It's the 21st century, the global village. Travel time is what matters, not distance.

You keep saying the same thing and every time it is equally false. The time required for basketball teams chartering flights isn't the issue. Big East schools sponsor between 13 (Creighton) and 22 (Georgetown) teams, the average being just under 18. MOST of these teams use commercial air and buses. We do all understand that athletic departments have to support entire athletic departments, right?

Gonzaga is an unrealistic unicorn. It went from a fun thought exercise to the most annoying thing on this board. Gonzaga is never going to be in the Big East. Ever.

Just stop.

Duquense is more likely.

[MUBoxer]

All this talk about travel time is great but we're forgetting a pretty key piece and that's time difference. Gonzaga is what 3(?) hours behind the east coast schools that'd mean that in order to hit the 7 PM start time a lot of the games have it'd be 4 out west when a lot of the students are still in class and locals are still at work so then Gonzaga complains about that advantage so we'd push the games back to work for them and suddenly our teams are playing at what feels like 10pm to them but is 7 to the zags and our coaches start complaining.

That's just the issue with the teams, add on the hit the actual viewership would take because of weird game times and it becomes even less feasible.

[NJRedman]

All this talk about travel time is great but we're forgetting a pretty key piece and that's time difference. Gonzaga is what 3(?) hours behind the east coast schools that'd mean that in order to hit the 7 PM start time a lot of the games have it'd be 4 out west when a lot of the students are still in class and locals are still at work so then Gonzaga complains about that advantage so we'd push the games back to work for them and suddenly our teams are playing at what feels like 10pm to them but is 7 to the zags and our coaches start complaining.

That's just the issue with the teams, add on the hit the actual viewership would take because of weird game times and it becomes even less feasible.

Exactly! I live on the west coast and I miss a TON of BE games. So thats a whole fan base not tuning in to the other league games like the rest of us do.

I have a Roku with Sling TV and Fox Sports Go. Sling doesn't have a DVR option and Fox Sports Go doesn't have the replay option like their ESPN counterpart.