stever20 wrote:so looking at St John's right now.....
Ken Pom has 4 factors that he feels is important.
effective FG pct
Turnover pct
Offensive Reb pct
FT rate
for SJ- offense-
eFG%- up from 45.4 to 50.9%- up from 321 to 152. major plus
TO%- down from 20.9 to 18.2% up from 322 to 157. major plus
ORb%- up from 27.5 to 28.2%- up from 249 to 202. small plus
FTR- down from 38.0 to 35.0%- down from 134 to 175. small negative
so overall you would say the offense is much improved.
for SJ defense-
eFG%- down from 51.1 to 49.5%. up from 231 to 138. moderate plus.
TO%- down from 20.1 to 19.7%. down from 61 to 124. moderate negative.
ORb%- up from 30.9 to 31.8%. down from 232 to 274. small negative(even though it's improved, not as much as a lot of teams)
FTR- down from 43.3 to 35.2%. up from 307 to 174. major plus
so I think I'd say the defense is improved as well- but not quite as much as with the offense.
as far as hoopers point on players being now upperclassmen equiv- that's fine except for the fact that the 2 guys who man the guard position are both frosh. And overall the roster is so inexperienced- in KP they are 347 of 351 in terms of experience.
NJRedman wrote:Honest answer, we'll worry about next year after we get through this year. Just looking at the standings we actually have a shot at finishing in 7th place with the way GTown is falling apart. A 7th place finish wouldn't be good enough for you after our worst season ever?
SJHooper wrote:NJRedman wrote:Honest answer, we'll worry about next year after we get through this year. Just looking at the standings we actually have a shot at finishing in 7th place with the way GTown is falling apart. A 7th place finish wouldn't be good enough for you after our worst season ever?
Very tough time seeing us finishing 7th especially with both DePaul games out of the way, but yes it's possible. If we do then I would hope it's because we get 3-4 more wins and not that other teams simply fall behind us. Remember, a terrible G'Town team throttled us. I just don't see how anyone can be satisfied even in year 2 of Mullin so far. You assume we will win more games but we will be underdogs in basically every other game this year. Now with Ponds acting like he wants to transfer based on his post, I'm very concerned. I get the sense that the players are realizing that the coaching is not up to par and may need to go elsewhere to develop properly. Hope I'm wrong, but I think it played a role in why Sima left, we already know Yakwe's adviser confronted Mullin about his lack of improvement, and now with the Ponds post it seems like he's becoming disillusioned. If you don't have any legit concerns from what we've seen this year, then I want what you're drinking.
NJRedman wrote:If you don't see any positives then I don't want what you are drinking. Stever laid out the numbers. We don't need alternative facts from you.
SJHooper wrote:Bill Marsh wrote:SJHooper wrote:Using Ollie as an example of a new coach who succeeded is really stupid. Sometimes it doesn't matter who the coach is when you already have a ton of talent on the team who were already coached up by a HOFer (Calhoun). If Ollie was such a great coach, it would show even without Calhoun leaving him great players. In a year totally disconnected from Calhoun or their old Big East era, they are terrible in a terrible conference. Same can be said for the Yankees of the late 90's through 2000. I could have been the manager and they still would have won. Look at Steve Kerr...is he really a genius? Or did he inherit an NBA All Star team? You could make Tiger Woods the coach and he'd still win with that talent. Ollie was an obvious case of inheriting talent that was going win anyway, not because of him.
I also truly think some will never give up on Mullin even if he can't win more than 8-9 games each year of his tenure. There will always be excuses i.e. injuries, youth, good recruits that just didn't pan out, new coach, just give him more time, etc. Mullin is what he is, the best player we've ever had, an NBA HOFer, but he is not a good coach and some will never accept that.
Hooper, I hope you feel better today after yesterday's win. You're a good guy and I love your enthusiasm, but you obviously know nothing about the UConn program. You should do your homework before coming out with a statement like the one you just made.
1. Calhoun left the team on probation with 4 starters leaving the program.
2. It was Ollie who recruited the "Calhoun players" whom he inherited.
3. Except for Napier, most of the "Calhoun players" got very little playing time under Calhoun.
4. The players on Ollie's championship team, including Shabazz, saw at least as much coasching time under Ollie as under Calhoun. Most got more under Ollie. He developed them.
5. Calhoun did not leave Ollie a championship roster loaded with former McD All Americans and future NBA players. He did not. That's simply a fact. This was not Tubby Smith inheriting a championship roster from Rick Pitino.
5. Ollie did not win that championship because he had better players. He beat Kentucky and Florida, teams that were loaded with superior talent to what he had.
6. Anyone who watched UConn's run through the tournament that year saw one of the great coaching jobs in tournament history. UConn won because of Ollie's coaching, not because he had Calhoun's players.
So Calhoun left him Napier...who literally threw the team on his back en route to the championship.
How does Ollie get credit for that?
Even UConn fans agree that he was riding Calhoun's coat tails.
It's not just the specific players I'm talking about, the credit you give to Ollie really belongs to Calhoun...you can't tell me all those great recruits would be going to UConn without Calhoun's major success winning lots of rings. He was the reason it was a winning program that got them those recruits to commit. By the time Ollie took over, he already had the prestige of the program and recent rings thanks to Calhoun, to sell to recruits. Essentially, the program sold itself. It's like Gucci...everyone wants it, it's prestigious already. It's easier to walk into a top position at Gucci than it is some startup clothing brand. Imagine a new guy walking into the CEO spot at Gucci and after a year on the job, people are raving giving him all the credit for the brand's success that had been built up to that point.
Once Calhoun left and the Big East era was in their rearview, they struggled. Again, UConn fans notice this. The more we see Ollie by himself with no help from Calhoun (even if he just left Napier he was 95% of the reason they won the ring) or the old Big East, the more he struggles. IMO that is not by accident. UConn is a mess.
stever20 wrote:NJRedman wrote:If you don't see any positives then I don't want what you are drinking. Stever laid out the numbers. We don't need alternative facts from you.
#first time ever NJRedman supported anything I typed
NJRedman wrote:Thats how crazy this Hooper guy is. Facts are facts.
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