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Re: (1) Monday- BE Game 01/09/2017 - St.John's at Georgetown

Postby Red Rooster » Mon Jan 09, 2017 1:41 pm

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SJHooper wrote:Every game we have played recently since the 3 game winning streak has brought us right back down to earth. We are reverting back to the LIU, Delaware St, PSU version from earlier in the season. Our last two games were over at halftime. Teams are consistently flirting with 100 points against us. Our defense is nonexistent. I am glad we fired Lavin, but man...he gave us some tough defensive teams I think we were top 50 most years in defense with him here. The problem with his teams was that they had zero offense or player development then recruiting fell off. So under Lav we had good defense but no offense...now under Mullin we have good offense but no defense. Will we ever put both together at the same time? Yakwe, Ahmed, Amar, Freudenberg, etc. are all mid major level players. Let's just be real. Our only somewhat decent big is Owens and he is a toothpick. It makes no sense...I watch so many other teams even mid majors that somehow find these 6'8-6'9 225+ lb bigs who can make layups, dunk it, develop a solid hook shot, play solid defense, and rebound. Under Lavin I used to say everyone else seemed to find shooters, why can't we? Now, it's everyone seems to find serviceable bigs, why can't we? I truly wonder how much of this failure is coaching and how much is the fact that the players are not very good. I'm sick of watching our games knowing that 95% of the time the opponent has the ball, they will score somehow, some way against our horrendous defense. The problem is that opponents have learned to close out on our guards shooting and they don't give them any space knowing they want to shoot everything. The second we have defenders in our guards' faces and they can't make an open shot, who else can we go to? Ahmed is the only other realistic option and he's the most out of control player I've ever seen in major hoops. This is a guy who missed a dunk with no one within 15 ft of him, because he dropped the ball on the way up and routinely throws his body inside without concentrating on where the ball or the hoop is. Teams know not to foul him and let him fall awkwardly, because is never under control. And this is our BEST 3rd option. Yakwe is a cookie cutter OSNA recruit...they get kids from Africa who first started playing when they were 13 or 14 and are extremely raw, skinny, and athletic but with minimal skill. We have to stop recruiting so much there unless there's a can't miss like Diallo but even he rode the bench at Kansas as a McDonald's All American MVP. Sima was butter soft. Freudenberg is still a freshman but he looks very slow and timid. Amar turns the ball over 75% of the time he tries to make a play.

We need to end our OSNA experiment and we also need to end our foreign player experiment. So far out of all these foreign players of Amar, Mussini, Freudenberg, Sima, zero would start on a decent Big East team. I have a feeling that if we were Gonzaga, Mussini would be like Kevin Pangos. Really hope Matt A has a trick up his sleeve, because we are in absolutely desperate need of real bigs. I just want to watch a consistently decent team again that has legitimate tournament aspirations. I'm so sick of being bullied.


Get your bi-polar disorder under control. Calling kids half a season in college ball mid-major level at best shows a lack of respect you have for the program you claim to cheer for.


Agree on your entire post. Although, there is a part of me that kinda feels sorry for him. I'd also add that "zero offense" and "player development," or lack of when it comes to Lavin is overplayed and parroted.
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Postby XUFan09 » Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:00 pm

I only scanned the first couple of sentences of Hooper's post. Still, it's pretty stupid to say that SJU is playing again like when they lost to shitty teams, considering they faced two ranked teams, one on the road and both capable of blitzing any opponent on offense. And SJU still put up a fight to make it more respectable.
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Re: (1) Monday- BE Game 01/09/2017 - St.John's at Georgetown

Postby SJUBBALL » Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:45 pm

XUFan09 wrote:I only scanned the first couple of sentences of Hooper's post. Still, it's pretty stupid to say that SJU is playing again like when they lost to shitty teams, considering they faced two ranked teams, one on the road and both capable of blitzing any opponent on offense. And SJU still put up a fight to make it more respectable.



Thank you. We lost to two teams that will easily be in the top 20 all the way up to selection Sunday. I'd understand the sky is falling attitude if we get blown out tonight
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Re: (1) Monday- BE Game 01/09/2017 - St.John's at Georgetown

Postby Bill Marsh » Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:53 pm

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XUFan09 wrote:I only scanned the first couple of sentences of Hooper's post. Still, it's pretty stupid to say that SJU is playing again like when they lost to shitty teams, considering they faced two ranked teams, one on the road and both capable of blitzing any opponent on offense. And SJU still put up a fight to make it more respectable.



Thank you. We lost to two teams that will easily be in the top 20 all the way up to selection Sunday. I'd understand the sky is falling attitude if we get blown out tonight


Not getting blown out so far. Tied 8 minutes into the game. ;)
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Re: (1) Monday- BE Game 01/09/2017 - St.John's at Georgetown

Postby BEhomer » Mon Jan 09, 2017 6:56 pm

man. this is an ugly game. missed dunks, layups, and unforced turnover. and both teams 0 for 10 combined from 3.
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Re: (1) Monday- BE Game 01/09/2017 - St.John's at Georgetown

Postby Westbrook#36 » Mon Jan 09, 2017 7:18 pm

These 2 teams seem to be trying to top each other in who can shoot the most poor, ugly, ill timed, out of control shots. Wow, absolutely no discipline what so ever, up and down they go chucking up horrible shot after horrible shot.
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Re: (1) Monday- BE Game 01/09/2017 - St.John's at Georgetown

Postby SJUBBALL » Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:04 pm

Bill Marsh wrote:
SJUBBALL wrote:
XUFan09 wrote:I only scanned the first couple of sentences of Hooper's post. Still, it's pretty stupid to say that SJU is playing again like when they lost to shitty teams, considering they faced two ranked teams, one on the road and both capable of blitzing any opponent on offense. And SJU still put up a fight to make it more respectable.



Thank you. We lost to two teams that will easily be in the top 20 all the way up to selection Sunday. I'd understand the sky is falling attitude if we get blown out tonight


Not getting blown out so far. Tied 8 minutes into the game. ;)



The sky is now falling :)
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Re: (1) Monday- BE Game 01/09/2017 - St.John's at Georgetown

Postby NJRedman » Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:13 pm

They're to tall and long for us.
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Re: (1) Monday- BE Game 01/09/2017 - St.John's at Georgetown

Postby SJUBBALL » Mon Jan 09, 2017 8:29 pm

NJRedman wrote:They're to tall and long for us.



There's also the issue of St. John's not showing up
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Re: (1) Monday- BE Game 01/09/2017 - St.John's at Georgetown

Postby Bill Marsh » Mon Jan 09, 2017 10:30 pm

SJUBBALL wrote:
Bill Marsh wrote:
SJUBBALL wrote:

Thank you. We lost to two teams that will easily be in the top 20 all the way up to selection Sunday. I'd understand the sky is falling attitude if we get blown out tonight


Not getting blown out so far. Tied 8 minutes into the game. ;)



The sky is now falling :)


I guess I spoke too soon. Pretty ugly, bordering on the unwatchable. :roll:
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