Deangelo Harrison's FG Att in wins and losses

[Red Rooster]

Why not include the 12 games before new years in which the team was 11-1?

13 shots a game during that stretch.

It has everything to do with Dom playing the best ball of his life and the rest of the team stepping up.

Because most of the teams they played prior to New Years were not very good, so it isn't the best indication of how the team performs against real competition.

So,etching was obviously wrong the first five weeks of conference play, and something has gone right the past three weeks. And as someone who watches all of St. John's games, one big difference has been harrison is playing more in control and allowing other teammates to be involved.

The development of the TEAM as opposed to harrison looking to pad his stats in losses is why I think St. John's has a chance to win ncaa tournament games. That's a good thing.

Im calling BS on this. If you did you wouldn't be making this argument.

What do you expect from two of the bigger BS'ers (and, know-nothing's) on the site?

[Red Rooster]

The kid is a 2,100+ point scorer and has been hurt the last month. They played over matched teams in the non-con? Really? Most teams are doubling him which is opening up the scoring for the others who are stepping up.

And the best St John's has played is the last 9 games since he's been there. They scored what 46 points 1st half on Saturday and he played 25 seconds.

And yes, they played 8 teams ranked 134 or worse OOC. That's the definition of over-matched.

Thanks for the definition. I'll note it. Everyone loves to slam Harrison for some reason, but St. John's would not have half it's wins without him. His teammates are playing very well which is needed, but to minimize his role is ridiculous. But have at it - you seem to enjoy it.

I'd be surprised, if he didn't enjoy it. He's been taken to school many times on this board. Either he's not too bright or gets off by stirring the pot (which, would make him a troll, per internet jargon).

[NJRedman]

It's not slamming harrison. It is slamming the me first attitude he showed in some games this year. It is slamming Lavin moreso for allowing him to be selfish in losses.

I think most of us want st john's to succeed. I think we are happy they seem to have found a nice rhythm. I think the one thing that has changed is harrison's style of play, which has allowed for others to emerge.

I know the other side of that argument is that the other players started playing better, and that's why he is shooting less. But I think those guys were playing pretty well all along, but now they have more opportunities. Chicken before the egg argument or whatever, but the good thing is that they are playing better.

I would love to see harrison holding up a ncaa tournament regional mop award as he helps the johnnies to the final four. I am rooting for harrison, not against him.

See, you are clueless about this kid. Me first attitude? He's the leader of this team! How is he me first? You are so far off base in bashing this kid, and yes, you are bashing him. Name some of these games where he showed a me first attitude? He and every other senior on this team has said nothing this year other than that the goal was the NCAA's.

If your goal was to troll the SJU fans then mission accomplished.

BTW if Archidiacano wasn't such a selfish player Nova would be undefeated. His me first attitude really is something that is holding this team back and I blame Jay Wright. Hey, we're all rooting for Nova here, we just wish this kid wasn't so selfish all the time.

[stever20]

I just don't think you can compare the 1st 12 games where they had 2/3 against bad teams to these last 9 games, with 6 games against NCAA tourney level teams.

PC 12 shots out of 57
Butler 6 shots out of 59
Creighton 8 shots out of 55
DePaul 14 shots out of 52
Xavier 12 shots out of 56
Georgetown 9 shots out of 58
SH 9 shots out of 62
Xavier 14 shots out of 55
Georgetown 4 shots out of 57
so last 9 games, he's taken 88 shots out of his teams 511 shots. That's barely over 17%.
38/88- 43.2%

In the 1st 7 conference games
Seton Hall 17 shots out of 61
Butler 21 shots out of 54
Nova 15 shots out of 58
PC 14 shots out of 53
DePaul 10 shots out of 53
Marq 11 shots out of 60
Cre 15 shots out of 65
total 103 shots out of 404 shots. That's 25.5%
43/103- 41.7%

So he's taking far fewer of the teams shots, he's making MORE of the shots, and The team is more successful.. Not saying that he's not good. Just saying that Lavin probably talked with him about not shooting as much.

Even look at his full season numbers, which also factor in minutes played...
2011-12 26.6% #273 nationally
2012-13 27.9% #183 nationally
2013-14 28.2% #184 nationally
2014-15 25.9% #348 nationally

but look at the effective shooting pct%
2012 46.6%
2013 46.8%
2014 45.4%
2015 49.3%



And your point about other teams doubling him- they weren't in the first 7 games? Come on now.

[NJRedman]

I just don't think you can compare the 1st 12 games where they had 2/3 against bad teams to these last 9 games, with 6 games against NCAA tourney level teams.

PC 12 shots out of 57
Butler 6 shots out of 59
Creighton 8 shots out of 55
DePaul 14 shots out of 52
Xavier 12 shots out of 56
Georgetown 9 shots out of 58
SH 9 shots out of 62
Xavier 14 shots out of 55
Georgetown 4 shots out of 57
so last 9 games, he's taken 88 shots out of his teams 511 shots. That's barely over 17%.
38/88- 43.2%

In the 1st 7 conference games
Seton Hall 17 shots out of 61
Butler 21 shots out of 54
Nova 15 shots out of 58
PC 14 shots out of 53
DePaul 10 shots out of 53
Marq 11 shots out of 60
Cre 15 shots out of 65
total 103 shots out of 404 shots. That's 25.5%
43/103- 41.7%

So he's taking far fewer of the teams shots, he's making MORE of the shots, and The team is more successful.. Not saying that he's not good. Just saying that Lavin probably talked with him about not shooting as much.

Even look at his full season numbers, which also factor in minutes played...
2011-12 26.6% #273 nationally
2012-13 27.9% #183 nationally
2013-14 28.2% #184 nationally
2014-15 25.9% #348 nationally

but look at the effective shooting pct%
2012 46.6%
2013 46.8%
2014 45.4%
2015 49.3%



And your point about other teams doubling him- they weren't in the first 7 games? Come on now.

And in the beginning of conference play we lost Jordan for a few games and even when he came back he wasn't playing well. Do you forget that point? He had to take more shots because Jordan was throwing up bricks. Then he wasn't even starting and we had Branch starting who isn't a consistent scorer. So yeah, he took more shots early because HE HAD TOO!!! Jordan was MIA at the beginning of the conference schedule. You guys tend to forget that small little point.