Wed 2/4/2014 Games - 3 Games

[milksteak]

X has landed itself squarely on the bubble after last night. Puts us at 5 definite teams in the tourney right now (Nova, Butler, GTown, Providence, SHU).

[Bill Marsh]

X has landed itself squarely on the bubble after last night. Puts us at 5 definite teams in the tourney right now (Nova, Butler, GTown, Providence, SHU).

I don't see it that way. It's still just one bad loss added to their record and X is not the only team headed for the tournament with that kind of a loss on their record. Even with that loss, RPI Wizard still has them with an RPI rank of 32.

There's no doubt that this was a bad loss and it's their 3rd to a team with an RPI over 100, but that puts them in the same company with teams like Stanford, Providence, and BYU as well as a whole bunch of others with 2 losses of that sort. They'll just have to bounce back from this.

[EMT]

I wouldn't call SHU a definite team yet....

[stever20]

X has landed itself squarely on the bubble after last night. Puts us at 5 definite teams in the tourney right now (Nova, Butler, GTown, Providence, SHU).

I don't see it that way. It's still just one bad loss added to their record and X is not the only team headed for the tournament with that kind of a loss on their record. Even with that loss, RPI Wizard still has them with an RPI rank of 32.

There's no doubt that this was a bad loss and it's their 3rd to a team with an RPI over 100, but that puts them in the same company with teams like Stanford, Providence, and BYU as well as a whole bunch of others with 2 losses of that sort. They'll just have to bounce back from this.

Providence though is 6-3 vs the RPI top 50 and 9-3 vs RPI top 100. Xavier is only 3-4 vs RPI top 50 and 7-6 vs RPI top 100. Huge difference there.
BYU right now is RPI 56 and likely not going to make the tourney.
Stanford right now has only 2 losses vs RPI over 100 teams(DePaul, Washington St). Their next worst loss is 57 UCLA- so that's not even close.

Xavier end of the day likely gets it, but it's no where near the foregone conclusion you make it out to be. Right now, they are the definition of a bubble team.

[Hall2012]

Lunardi still has both Hall and X in his field today despite the bad losses they picked up this week. They took some seed damage though, and 9 and 11. Johnnies slip to the 1st 4 out, leaving the BE with 6 teams in at the moment.

[stever20]

Lunardi still has both Hall and X in his field today despite the bad losses they picked up this week. They took some seed damage though, and 9 and 11. Johnnies slip to the 1st 4 out, leaving the BE with 6 teams in at the moment.

seems about right. Xavier next to last bye team. Seton Hall a 9 sounds high but looking at teams, not really....

Just wish PC didn't have those bad losses.

[TheBall]

We could be down to just 4 bids if xavier, st john's and seton hall don't step it up.

[Hall2012]

Lunardi still has both Hall and X in his field today despite the bad losses they picked up this week. They took some seed damage though, and 9 and 11. Johnnies slip to the 1st 4 out, leaving the BE with 6 teams in at the moment.

seems about right. Xavier next to last bye team. Seton Hall a 9 sounds high but looking at teams, not really....

Just wish PC didn't have those bad losses.

agreed. hopefully their tourney fate doesn't come down to something this nit-picky but when compared to another team with similar bad losses, do you think SHU's 2 being to the same opponent will be looked at more or less favorably than someone who lost them to 2 different opponents?

[Bill Marsh]

X has landed itself squarely on the bubble after last night. Puts us at 5 definite teams in the tourney right now (Nova, Butler, GTown, Providence, SHU).

I don't see it that way. It's still just one bad loss added to their record and X is not the only team headed for the tournament with that kind of a loss on their record. Even with that loss, RPI Wizard still has them with an RPI rank of 32.

There's no doubt that this was a bad loss and it's their 3rd to a team with an RPI over 100, but that puts them in the same company with teams like Stanford, Providence, and BYU as well as a whole bunch of others with 2 losses of that sort. They'll just have to bounce back from this.

Providence though is 6-3 vs the RPI top 50 and 9-3 vs RPI top 100. Xavier is only 3-4 vs RPI top 50 and 7-6 vs RPI top 100. Huge difference there.
BYU right now is RPI 56 and likely not going to make the tourney.
Stanford right now has only 2 losses vs RPI over 100 teams(DePaul, Washington St). Their next worst loss is 57 UCLA- so that's not even close.

Xavier end of the day likely gets it, but it's no where near the foregone conclusion you make it out to be. Right now, they are the definition of a bubble team.

Steve, my comment was in response to a post that focused only on the losses. I was simply pointing out that 3 losses isn't automatically a bid killer. It's not time to push the panic button. Nothing is a foregone conclusion, but if Xavier plays the rest of the was as they have to date and if this loss proves to be only a bump in the road, they'll have no problem getting in.

RPI is a terrible measure of anything and current RPI is especially unreliable. RPI Forecast has BYU finishing somewhere around 42, which makes them a pretty solid pick for a bid.

[stever20]

Lunardi still has both Hall and X in his field today despite the bad losses they picked up this week. They took some seed damage though, and 9 and 11. Johnnies slip to the 1st 4 out, leaving the BE with 6 teams in at the moment.

seems about right. Xavier next to last bye team. Seton Hall a 9 sounds high but looking at teams, not really....

Just wish PC didn't have those bad losses.

agreed. hopefully their tourney fate doesn't come down to something this nit-picky but when compared to another team with similar bad losses, do you think SHU's 2 being to the same opponent will be looked at more or less favorably than someone who lost them to 2 different opponents?

you know, i'm not sure. I'd kind of think it probably would be looked at more favorably actually- like more it's just a poor matchup.