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Re: By the Numbers: Good Wins and Bad Losses

Postby mel ott » Mon Dec 08, 2014 12:41 am

gmoser1210 wrote:Update after all games completed on 7-December-2014.

Wins that might be good (RPI 101-150)
Villanova over Michigan (#113)
DePaul over Northern Illinois (#119)
Creighton over North Carolina Central (#104)
Creighton over Nebraska (#105)
Georgetown over Florida (#130)

Bad Losses (to teams outside of the RPI top 100)
Nebraska-Omaha (#236) over Marquette
Lehigh (#186) over DePaul
Tulsa (#102) over Creighton



Always amazes me that a game can become a bad loss ( Tulsa was favored over Creighton on the road) when you are the underdog?
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Re: By the Numbers: Good Wins and Bad Losses

Postby gmoser1210 » Sun Dec 14, 2014 10:56 pm

Update after all games completed on 14-December-2014.

Very Good Wins (over RPI Top 50)
Villanova over VCU (#8)
Butler over North Carolina (#22)
Seton Hall over Gardner-Webb (#31)
Xavier over Alabama (#32)
Creighton over Oklahoma (#35)
Providence over Rhode Island (#42)
Providence over Yale (#43)
Seton Hall over George Washington (#47)

Good Wins (over RPI 51-100)
Seton Hall over Illinois State (#55)
Xavier over Long Beach State (#57)
Villanova over Temple (#59)
Marquette over Georgia Tech (#66)
DePaul over Stanford (#67)
Saint John's over Syracuse (#69)
Xavier over Murray State (#72)
Villanova over Illinois (#74)
Butler over Georgetown (#75)
Marquette over Tennessee (#78)
Creighton over North Carolina Central (#83)
Saint John's over Minnesota (#84)
Seton Hall over Rutgers (#89)
Villanova over Michigan (#94)
Xavier over Stephen F. Austin (#96)

Wins that might be good (RPI 101-150)
Seton Hall over Mount Saint Mary's (#107)
Butler over Northwestern (#117)
Villanova over Saint Joseph's (#127)
Villanova over La Salle (#131)
Georgetown over Florida (#132)
Georgetown over Radford (#137)
Saint John's over Fairleigh Dickinson (#139)
Creighton over Nebraska (#144)
Providence over Notre Dame (#146)

Bad Losses (to teams outside of the RPI top 100)
Nebraska-Omaha (#297) over Marquette
Brown (#166) over Providence
Lehigh (#164) over DePaul
Boston College (#138) over Providence
Ole Miss (#109) over Creighton
Tulsa (#108) over Creighton
Butler Bulldogs
'62, '97, '98, '00, '01, '03, '07, '08, '09, '10, '11, '13, '15, '16, '17, '18
'33, '34, '47, '52, '53, '59, '61, 62, '97, '98, '00, '01, '02, '03, '07, '08, '09, '10, '11
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Re: By the Numbers: Good Wins and Bad Losses

Postby gmoser1210 » Mon Jan 19, 2015 8:57 pm

Update after all games completed on 18-January-2015.

Very Good Wins (over RPI Top 50)
Villanova over VCU (#4)
Seton Hall over Villanova (#5)
Butler over North Carolina (#12)
Villanova over Butler (#14)
Providence over Butler (#14)
Georgetown over Butler (#14)
Butler over Seton Hall (#17)
Xavier over Seton Hall (#17)
Marquette over Providence (#23)
Saint John's over Providence (#23)
Creighton over Oklahoma (#24)
DePaul over Stanford (#26)
Providence over Georgetown (#28)
Butler over Georgetown (#28)
Xavier over Georgetown (#28)
Villanova over Xavier (#34)
DePaul over Xavier (#34)
Butler over Xavier (#34)
Providence over Notre Dame (#39)
Villanova over Saint John's (#40)
DePaul over Saint John's (#40)
Seton Hall over Saint John's (#40)
Butler over Saint John's (#40)
Seton Hall over George Washington (#41)
Georgetown over Indiana (#44)

Good Wins (over RPI 51-100)
Marquette over Tennessee (#52)
Xavier over Alabama (#53)
Providence over Miami-FL (#55)
Villanova over Temple (#56)
Villanova over Syracuse (#57)
Saint John's over Syracuse (#57)
Xavier over Long Beach State (#61)
Saint John's over Long Beach State (#61)
Providence over Massachusetts (#63)
Villanova over Illinois (#64)
Saint John's over Saint Mary's College (#65)
Providence over Yale (#67)
Providence over Stony Brook (#69)
Georgetown over Florida (#70)
Seton Hall over Rutgers (#74)
Creighton over North Carolina Central (#81)
Providence over Rhode Island (#82)
Villanova over Michigan (#85)
Marquette over Georgia Tech (#86)
Xavier over Stephen F. Austin (#96)
Saint John's over Minnesota (#98)

Wins that might be good (RPI 101-150)
Villanova over La Salle (#101)
Seton Hall over Gardner Webb (#102)
Xavier over Murray State (#104)
Creighton over Eastern Illinois (#106)
Butler over Belmont (#108)
Seton Hall over Illinois State (#111)
Georgetown over Marquette (#112)
DePaul over Marquette (#112)
Xavier over Marquette (#112)
Creighton over Nebraska (#120)
Butler over Chattanooga (#136)
Georgetown over Charlotte (#137)
Marquette over Arizona State (#139)
Seton Hall over Mount Saint Mary's (#142)
Butler over Northwestern (#143)
Villanova over Maryland Eastern Shore (#148)
Xavier over Missouri (#149)

Bad Losses (to teams outside of the RPI top 100)
Illinois State (#111) over DePaul
Marquette (#112) over Providence
Marquette (#112) over Creighton
Auburn (#114) over Xavier
Boston College (#132) over Providence
DePaul (#169) over Xavier
DePaul (#169) over Marquette
DePaul (#169) over Saint John's
DePaul (#169) over Creighton
Lehigh (#184) over DePaul
Loyola Marymount (#233) over DePaul
Brown (#246) over Providence
Ohio (#257) over DePaul
North Texas (#270) over Creighton
Nebraska Omaha (#309) over Marquette
Butler Bulldogs
'62, '97, '98, '00, '01, '03, '07, '08, '09, '10, '11, '13, '15, '16, '17, '18
'33, '34, '47, '52, '53, '59, '61, 62, '97, '98, '00, '01, '02, '03, '07, '08, '09, '10, '11
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Re: By the Numbers: Good Wins and Bad Losses

Postby gmoser1210 » Sun Jan 25, 2015 11:11 pm

By team, updated after all games completed on 1/25/2015:

#15 Butler (15-6)
Top 50 Wins
#11 - North Carolina
#13 - Georgetown
#35 - Xavier
#42 - Seton Hall
#42 - Seton Hall
Top 100 Wins
#51 - Saint John's
#94 - Belmont
Losses Outside Top 100
-none-


#139 Creighton (9-12)
Top 50 Wins
#29 - Oklahoma
Top 100 Wins
#88 - Nebraska
#89 - North Carolina Central
Losses Outside Top 100
#271 - North Texas
#135 - DePaul
#119 - Marquette


#135 DePaul (11-10)
Top 50 Wins
#31 - Stanford
#35 - Xavier
#42 - Seton Hall
Top 100 Wins
#51 - Saint John's
Losses Outside Top 100
#229 - Loyola Marymount
#191 - Ohio
#167 - Lehigh
#113 - Illinois State


#13 Georgetown (14-5)
Top 50 Wins
#6 - Villanova
#15 - Butler
#34 - Indiana
Top 100 Wins
#84 - Florida
Losses Outside Top 100
-none-


#119 Marquette (10-9)
Top 50 Wins
#20 - Providence
Top 100 Wins
#55 - Tennessee
Losses Outside Top 100
#307 - Nebraska-Omaha
#135 - DePaul


#20 Providence (15-5)
Top 50 Wins
#13 - Georgetown
#15 - Butler
#35 - Xavier
#36 - Notre Dame
#38 - Miami (FL)
Top 100 Wins
#61 - Yale
#64 - Rhode Island
#91 - Stony Brook
#71 - Massachusetts
Losses Outside Top 100
#231 - Brown
#119 - Marquette
#120 - Boston College


#51 Saint John's (12-6)
Top 50 Wins
#20 - Providence
#49 - Saint Mary's
Top 100 Wins
#60 - Long Beach State
#68 - Syracuse
#87- Minnesota
Losses Outside Top 100
#135 - DePaul


#42 Seton Hall (13-6)
Top 50 Wins
#6 - Villanova
Top 100 Wins
#51 - Saint John's
#53 - George Washington
Losses Outside Top 100
#135 - DePaul


#6 Villanova (18-2)
Top 50 Wins
#4 - Virginia Commonwealth
#15 - Butler
#35 - Xavier
Top 100 Wins
#51 - Saint John's
#54 - Temple
#58 - Illinois
#68 - Syracuse
#73 - Michigan
Losses Outside Top 100
-none-


#35 Xavier (13-7)
Top 50 Wins
#13 - Georgetown
#42 - Seton Hall
#50 - Alabama
Top 100 Wins
#60 - Long Beach State
#82 - Murray State
#85 - Stephen F. Austin
Losses Outside Top 100
#147 - Auburn
#135 - DePaul
#104 - UTEP
Butler Bulldogs
'62, '97, '98, '00, '01, '03, '07, '08, '09, '10, '11, '13, '15, '16, '17, '18
'33, '34, '47, '52, '53, '59, '61, 62, '97, '98, '00, '01, '02, '03, '07, '08, '09, '10, '11
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Re: By the Numbers: Good Wins and Bad Losses

Postby gmoser1210 » Mon Jan 26, 2015 1:25 am

Quick summary:

[*]Butler, Georgetown, and Villanova have no bad losses.
[*]Butler and Providence have the most Top 50 wins with 5 each. 4 teams are tied for 3rd with 3 Top 50 wins.
[*]Providence has the most Top 100 wins with 9 while Villanova has 8 and Butler has 7.

Arbitrary W/L point system:
Top 50 Win = +2
51-100 Win = +1
101-200 Loss = -1
201-351 Loss = -2

12 - Butler
11 - Villanova
10 - Providence
7 - Georgetown
6 - Saint John's
6 - Xavier
3 - Seton Hall
2 - DePaul
0 - Marquette
0 - Creighton
Butler Bulldogs
'62, '97, '98, '00, '01, '03, '07, '08, '09, '10, '11, '13, '15, '16, '17, '18
'33, '34, '47, '52, '53, '59, '61, 62, '97, '98, '00, '01, '02, '03, '07, '08, '09, '10, '11
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Re: By the Numbers: Good Wins and Bad Losses

Postby BigmanU » Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:00 am

This is awesome work, Thanks!
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Re: By the Numbers: Good Wins and Bad Losses

Postby stever20 » Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:26 am

I would suggest for the scale that top 25 wins should be +3 instead of +2.

Your chart though shows why St John's, Xavier, and Seton Hall(especially) are so precarious right now.
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Re: By the Numbers: Good Wins and Bad Losses

Postby NJRedman » Mon Jan 26, 2015 11:34 am

St. John's not Saint John's. The latter is a small school in Minnesota.
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Re: By the Numbers: Good Wins and Bad Losses

Postby gmoser1210 » Sun Feb 01, 2015 5:52 pm

By team, updated after all games completed on 2/1/2015:

#15 Butler (16-6)
Top 50 Wins
#10 North Carolina
#19 Georgetown
#26 Xavier
#36 Seton Hall
#36 Seton Hall
#48 St. John's
Top 100 Wins
-none-
Losses Outside Top 100
-none-


#143 Creighton (10-13)
Top 50 Wins
#21 Oklahoma
#48 St. John's
Top 100 Wins
#91 North Carolina Central
Losses Outside Top 100
#269 North Texas
#139 Marquette
#137 DePaul


#137 DePaul (11-12)
Top 50 Wins
#26 Xavier
#31 Stanford
#36 Seton Hall
#48 St. John's
Top 100 Wins
-none-
Losses Outside Top 100
#213 Loyola-Marymount
#204 Ohio
#176 Lehigh


#19 Georgetown (15-6)
Top 50 Wins
#6 Villanova
#15 Butler
#35 Indiana
Top 100 Wins
#57 Florida
Losses Outside Top 100
-none-


#139 Marquette (10-11)
Top 50 Wins
#23 Providence
Top 100 Wins
-none-
Losses Outside Top 100
#314 Nebraska-Omaha
#137 DePaul


#23 Providence (16-6)
Top 50 Wins
#15 Butler
#19 Georgetown
#26 Xavier
#28 Notre Dame
Top 100 Wins
#51 Massachusetts
#56 Miami (FL)
#63 Yale
#69 Rhode Island
Losses Outside Top 100
#248 Brown
#139 Marquette
#127 Boston College


#48 St. John's (13-7)
Top 50 Wins
#23 Providence
#23 Providence
Top 100 Wins
#58 Long Beach State
#67 Saint Mary's
#68 Syracuse
#89 Minnesota
Losses Outside Top 100
#137 DePaul
#143 Creighton


#36 Seton Hall (15-6)
Top 50 Wins
#6 Villanova
#26 Xavier
#48 St. John's
Top 100 Wins
#53 George Washington
#92 Illinois State
Losses Outside Top 100
#137 DePaul


#6 Villanova (19-2)
Top 50 Wins
#9 VCU
#15 Butler
#26 Xavier
#44 Temple
#48 St. John's
Top 100 Wins
#65 Illinois
#68 Syracuse
#74 Michigan
#90 La Salle
Losses Outside Top 100
-none-


#26 Xavier (14-8)
Top 50 Wins
#19 Georgetown
#19 Georgetown
#36 Seton Hall
Top 100 Wins
#58 Long Beach State
#59 Alabama
#75 Murray State
#82 Stephen F. Austin
Losses Outside Top 100
#167 Auburn
#137 DePaul
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Butler Bulldogs
'62, '97, '98, '00, '01, '03, '07, '08, '09, '10, '11, '13, '15, '16, '17, '18
'33, '34, '47, '52, '53, '59, '61, 62, '97, '98, '00, '01, '02, '03, '07, '08, '09, '10, '11
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Re: By the Numbers: Good Wins and Bad Losses

Postby gmoser1210 » Sun Feb 01, 2015 6:03 pm

Quick summary:

  • Butler, Georgetown, and Villanova have no bad losses.
  • Butler has the most Top 50 wins with 6, followed by Villanova with 5, and DePaul and Providence are tied with 4.
  • Villanova has the most Top 100 wins with 9, followed by Providence with 8, and Xavier has 7.

Arbitrary W/L point system:
Top 50 Win = +2
51-100 Win = +1
101-200 Loss = -1
201-351 Loss = -2

14 - Villanova
12 - Butler
8 - Providence
8 - Xavier
7 - Georgetown
7 - Seton Hall
6 - St. John's
3 - DePaul
1 - Creighton
-1 - Marquette
Butler Bulldogs
'62, '97, '98, '00, '01, '03, '07, '08, '09, '10, '11, '13, '15, '16, '17, '18
'33, '34, '47, '52, '53, '59, '61, 62, '97, '98, '00, '01, '02, '03, '07, '08, '09, '10, '11
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