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http://chronicle.com/article/Peers-Inte ... ta/134262/

The above web site is from The Chronicle of Education. It is useful in ranking colleges as it includes those schools that a particular university considers it's peers and what those peers think of that university. Included also is the admission rate, endowment, enrollment, expenses, graduation rate and median SAT of each institution.

For the most part Big East schools do quite well. Especially Georgetown, Villanova, Butler, Providence, Creighton and Xavier. The rankings are as follows:
1. Villanova 55, 2. Georgetown 63, 3. Butler 108, 4. Providence 113, 5. Creighton 114, 6. Xavier 148.

Others with less outstanding rankings are SJU at 324, Seton Hall at 368, Marquette at 399 and Depaul at 421.

Remember this has absolutely nothing to do with sports however it is one of the better web sites on rankings and the only one to my knowledge which ranks in comparison to a universities chosen peers.

Something to do until BB season begins along with reading the encyclopedia from the first to last page.

The thing that I find funny about these rankings is watching how little overlap there is between what schools your school considers a peer and which schools consider your school to be a peer. Clearly there are some very delusional schools.

For Georgetown the only schools that both consider Georgetown a peer and Georgetown considers to be a peer are Dartmouth, Brown, and John Hopkins.

Xavier didn't participate I guess.

Mildly interesting. If we were to combine academic performance and reputation with BB success where would each school rank in terms of overall value to the BE conference? Looking at some of the base stats of our BE schools, there seems to be a couple leaders, a large homogeneous middle and a few trailers. Looking at acceptance rates, median SAT's and grad rate, and then compare that to hoops success/value I'd rank the schools as follows:

1. Georgetown
2. Villanova
3. Marquette
T4. Creighton
T4. Providence
T4. Xavier
T4. Butler
8. DePaul
9. SJU
10. Seton Hall

Just one man's opinion after looking at the collective data. I'm sure some SHU and SJU fans are going to respond with fire.

I was curious who Harvard would choose as a peer so I plugged them in and they had Princeton, Yale, and Stanford on there; that wasn't a surprise. What was a surprise was that two of them overlapped and chose Harvard as a peer also, Yale and Stanford, Princeton was the hold-out. I then clicked on their page and they had no one listed as a peer haha.

I think one thing that should also be considered in determing peers is "what other schools did your students apply to?"

gosports1 wrote:I think one thing that should also be considered in determing peers is "what other schools did your students apply to?"

To an extent, but I think that is more indicative of location than anything else. I feel like most of my classmates at Butler choose between going there or Indiana. I haven't even heard of half of Butler's " peers on that list.

http://cwur.org/2014/

To continue the rankings parade I looked up the ranking of the top 1000 universities in the world and found only TWO Big East school included. Kudos to Georgetown at 118 and Creighton for ranking 490 amongst the top 1000 in academics.

No other Big East school was ranked however Loyola of Chicago was ranked at 446 and Dayton at 538. Catholic University was also ranked in the top 1000. I found our lack of recognition somewhat disappointing however the mission of most small private universities is to be very good in a small number of disciplines. This makes the achievement of Georgetown, Creighton, Loyola and Dayton even more impressive.

NB: I missed Marquette they are listed as 704. That makes 3 for the BE.

Among the so called Power 5 conferences all were ranked and among the G5 most were ranked. It should be noted however that many of the schools ranked were public schools, national schools or very large private schools. A notable exception is Tulane University.

Check out the ranking posted on CWUR.org above.

Rankings for the Big 5 (or P 5) and the G 5 are as follows.

P5 by Conference:
SEC - 14 all members
B10 - 14 all members
ACC - 14 all members
PAC - 12 all members
B12 - 10 all members

G5 by Conference:
AAC - all but Navy and Tulsa, 10 members of 12
C-USA - all but WKU, MTSU and Marshall, 11 members of 14
MWC - all but AF, Fresno, SJSU and Boise, 8 members of 12
MAC - all but EMU, CMU and Ball State, 10 members of 13
Sun Belt - ONLY South Alabama and Georgia State. (I have no idea how many members this conference has.)
BYU made the list, Army did not. None of the military academies were ranked.

I did not bother to check the A-10 but Dayton is on there.

Note: copied G5 members from dbakjon.

^Search function is pretty neat. Marquette checks in at 704.

Thanks Marquette I will add it to the original post. If anyone else finds additions please post. I was surprised nova was not on the list as well.