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I'm hoping we get what they get or we're screwed!

JOPO wrote:http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/writer/dennis-dodd/24532563/autonomy-defined-ncaa-boards-agenda-for-change-this-week

I'm hoping we get what they get or we're screwed!

They certainly have a high opinion of themselves. I agree with your final point though. (Yes, I realize SLU is not a Big East school Edrick).

sounds to me like they want to set up their own rules and do whatever they want. pay student athletes as they see fit so they no longer have to worry about ncaa violations and penalties.

they are offering the same freedom to rest of D1 schools, so i think our basketball only BE schools will have no problem matching what they do.

it opens up another can of worms though. how do they regulate each member within conference? how do you stop Texas, who makes more money than anyone else, from just outbidding all other Big 5 schools for recruits? we all know some athletes are already being paid under the table right now. it will be 1000 times easier to do that under this new 'autonomy' proposal.

BEhomer wrote:sounds to me like they want to set up their own rules and do whatever they want. pay student athletes as they see fit so they no longer have to worry about ncaa violations and penalties.

they are offering the same freedom to rest of D1 schools, so i think our basketball only BE schools will have no problem matching what they do.

it opens up another can of worms though. how do they regulate each member within conference? how do you stop Texas, who makes more money than anyone else, from just outbidding all other Big 5 schools for recruits? we all know some athletes are already being paid under the table right now. it will be 1000 times easier to do that under this new 'autonomy' proposal.

I think it mentioned a max limit. Kansas St and Washington st aren't going to allow that.

I would really like to hear someone like Roger Cossack or Lester Munson, i.e., an attorney who can articulate in simple English the details of complex leglislation, be available to explain this to us lay people.

A key part of that is the permissible and actionable legislation. I may be way off, but my basic understanding is this: the Autonomy legislation means that they can set certain rules (detailed in the link above) for themselves, and will not require the approval of conferences outside the Power Five. Other leagues won't have to adopt those special rules for themselves, but they will be permitted to adopt them. If I am correctly interpreting, non-Power Five conferenves who still have the finances to adopt some of those policies, most likely the Big East, AAC, Mountain West, A-10, and maaaaaybe C-USA, WCC, and MVC, would be free to do so. They would not be able to stop the Power Five from adopting the rules they cant afford to adopt themselves.

Michael in Raleigh wrote:I would really like to hear someone like Roger Cossack or Lester Munson, i.e., an attorney who can articulate in simple English the details of complex leglislation, be available to explain this to us lay people.

A key part of that is the permissible and actionable legislation. I may be way off, but my basic understanding is this: the Autonomy legislation means that they can set certain rules (detailed in the link above) for themselves, and will not require the approval of conferences outside the Power Five. Other leagues won't have to adopt those special rules for themselves, but they will be permitted to adopt them. If I am correctly interpreting, non-Power Five conferenves who still have the finances to adopt some of those policies, most likely the Big East, AAC, Mountain West, A-10, and maaaaaybe C-USA, WCC, and MVC, would be free to do so. They would not be able to stop the Power Five from adopting the rules they cant afford to adopt themselves.

I think you're right on the endgame. They're saying that anyone who wants to can participate in their program, but they don't want the "lesser" conferences having a say in what they do.

BillikensWin wrote:

Michael in Raleigh wrote:I would really like to hear someone like Roger Cossack or Lester Munson, i.e., an attorney who can articulate in simple English the details of complex leglislation, be available to explain this to us lay people.

A key part of that is the permissible and actionable legislation. I may be way off, but my basic understanding is this: the Autonomy legislation means that they can set certain rules (detailed in the link above) for themselves, and will not require the approval of conferences outside the Power Five. Other leagues won't have to adopt those special rules for themselves, but they will be permitted to adopt them. If I am correctly interpreting, non-Power Five conferenves who still have the finances to adopt some of those policies, most likely the Big East, AAC, Mountain West, A-10, and maaaaaybe C-USA, WCC, and MVC, would be free to do so. They would not be able to stop the Power Five from adopting the rules they cant afford to adopt themselves.

I think you're right on the endgame. They're saying that anyone who wants to can participate in their program, but they don't want the "lesser" conferences having a say in what they do.

It will be interesting to see just how much this will cost and which conferences outside the 5 with autonomous powers will be able to actually afford this. I would assume that conferences like the Big East, A10 and others who do not have FBS football will be able to afford this moreso than the smaller conferences that sponsor FBS football.

BEhomer wrote:sounds to me like they want to set up their own rules and do whatever they want. pay student athletes as they see fit so they no longer have to worry about ncaa violations and penalties.

they are offering the same freedom to rest of D1 schools, so i think our basketball only BE schools will have no problem matching what they do.

it opens up another can of worms though. how do they regulate each member within conference? how do you stop Texas, who makes more money than anyone else, from just outbidding all other Big 5 schools for recruits? we all know some athletes are already being paid under the table right now. it will be 1000 times easier to do that under this new 'autonomy' proposal.

I think what they will do is pay for full cost of attendance as defined by the federal government.

Any of us who receieved federal student loans didn't just get a loan that solely covered tuition and fees. We received a few thousand dollars a year extra in a refund so we cover the costs of books, parking passes, and other things so we could somewhat live off our loans while in school full time. The gov't. does this because the full cost of attendance is much more than tuition, room, and board.

Beyond the tuition costs, the cost of attendance is going to be different at St. John's, in NYC, than it would be at, say, Providenceso I suspect the student loan refund for a SJU student would be more than it would be cor a Providence since Providence's cost of living is likely a good deal less. Thus, SJU would have a bigger stipend.

This may give an advantage to schools in more expensive markets, but at least it would be determined by an impartial third party. In other words, it's not the same as rich schools being able to artificially define a cost of living in order to gain a recruiting edge.

Again. I ask. how do they regulate these rules? and how will they enforce them? you can set the max and come up with any reasonable payout scales, but in the end it's about winning and often times winning at all cost. someone will start to abuse the system.

this whole thing started with BIG5 thinking 'why should we play by the same rules?'

it won't be long before schools like Texas asks the same question about their conference association.

This could have a HUGE impact with regards to UCONN, Cincinnati and some of the other G5 schools (that have shown the willingness to spend on football, but do not have a seat at the table). If the P5 decide to breakaway, which has been the realistic threat, and they decide to only play each other and pay a stipend to athletes, it could (potentially) have devastating effects for their (UCONN, Cincinnati, etc.) football programs. It's hard enough for UCONN to play catchup with their football program AND have to deal with the P5 being able to spend significant $$$ on athletes. No school would be able to compete with that.

THIS, in my opinion, is why the Big East has remained quiet and steadfast with regards to any conference additions. If UCONN cannot pay to compete with the top dogs, or, now it seems, is being excluded because they are not in a P5 conference, they will NEED to drop down football as there would be no way for them to keep up with the competition of basketball. That's where the Big East would come in. They could return home and focus on what made UCONN athletics: basketball.