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What seed would you give Nova and Creighton? My personal opinion is Nova will get a 3 or higher, while Creighton will get screwed. I see the committee putting Wichita and Creighton in the same bracket facing each other ASAP. What do you think

epink wrote:What seed would you give Nova and Creighton? My personal opinion is Nova will get a 3 or higher, while Creighton will get screwed. I see the committee putting Wichita and Creighton in the same bracket facing each other ASAP. What do you think

I don't think Creighton will get screwed. I see them both almost equal seed wise- especially if Creighton takes them behind the shed again in the BET. Probably both as 3's, though may sneak up to a 2 possibly depending on other results.

If both win out in the regular season, I think they'll both be a 2. I suppose a one seed is possible if either went undefeated through the BET. Personally, I think Creighton drops a couple of games still and ends up a 4 seed or so.

epink wrote:What seed would you give Nova and Creighton? My personal opinion is Nova will get a 3 or higher, while Creighton will get screwed. I see the committee putting Wichita and Creighton in the same bracket facing each other ASAP. What do you think

As of now, it looks like the Schlockers will get a #1, and I think both Creighton and Nova are worthy of residing somewhere on the 2 or 3 line so I wouldn't expect it will be possible to see a WSU vs. CU matchup until the regional finals at the earliest.

In my opinion both teams are pretty much in the exact same spot right now:

Ceiling: go undefeated the rest of the way, taking the RS title and BE tourney title = 2 seed with an outside shot at a 1 seed.

Floor: drop a game or two, finish second in the BE, and don't make the BE tourney final game = could get a 4, outside chance at a 5.

ordinarily, i would say that Nova has a little more margin for error, but getting embarrassed by the other top team in your conference twice bumps them down to equal territory because i think that will make it mentally tougher for the committee to seed them higher than Creighton without drastically different finishes to the season.

Assuming both teams finish out with no more than one more regular season loss, I think if either wins the BET, they will be a two and the other a three. For either team to drop to a 4 would require a collapse and very early BET exit.

The committee can't seed based on individual head to head matchups. It looks at an entire body of work. CU does not have the OOC resume that Nova does. If Nova ends up a 2 seed and Kansas a 1 should Nova be upset because they did beat them head to head? Nova's 3 losses are to Top 10 RPI teams. I'm am not saying that Nova is a better team than CU. but I am saying that all things being equal Nova has a better resume at this point.

Now if CU runs the table, wins the regular season BE title and the tourney (over Nova in the final) I think they will be a 2 seed at worst. Right now I would put Nova at a 2 and CU at a 3. I think having DM, the NPOY will certainly help their seeding as well.

The reality is the committee can do whatever it wants since nothing is ever disclosed by them. It will look at the entire body of work for the bid, but for the seeding they certainly can say that Creightons two blow out wins over nova plus winning the BET should they do thst puts them on a higher line. I think one will get av2 and one will get a three.

redmen9194 wrote:The reality is the committee can do whatever it wants since nothing is ever disclosed by them. It will look at the entire body of work for the bid, but for the seeding they certainly can say that Creightons two blow out wins over nova plus winning the BET should they do thst puts them on a higher line. I think one will get av2 and one will get a three.

I agreed that if CU wins the reg season and BET they'd be a 2. But where I disagree is that the committee looks at individual games in deciding who gets what. I remember 6-7 years ago when Syracuse was on the bubble and was snubbed and a team they beat snuck in. JB was in an uproar. Should Nova be upset if Kansas gets a 1 nad they get a 2? They beat them head to head, fair and square. But you can't look at single games--it has to be an entire body of work. Is Nova the team who lost bad to CU twice or the one that swept PC and beat Kansas and Iowa? Is CU the team that smashed VU twice or lost big at PC? The answer is both.

This is not a zero sum game. If CU wins, Nova doesn't have to lose and visa-versa. Both will stand up to be judged on their own merit, head to head aside. The 2 wins by CU over Nova will mean that CU can boast 2 wins vs Top 10 RPI. CU will show 12-15 wins and 4 losses vs teams in the 25-75 range. Nova will show 1 top 10 RPI win, 12-15 top 100 wins and 3 losses to teams in the RPI top 10 only. If you were a committee member you might value the two Top 10 wins over the 4 losses outside the top 10. As of right now I'd have Nova slightly ahead in the curve. If you look at almost all of the bracket pundits they seem to agree with me.

Frankly, at this moment, I think both Nova and CU deserve 2 seeds. Both teams are playing especially strong right now, especially when compared against the Arizonas and Syracuses of this world. Heck, toss Wichita State in that discussion as well - they are barely beating some MVC opponents in the weakest MVC in a decade.