The Holy Land of Hoops

This should be a fairly competitive game. Seton Hall isn't a pushover anymore. Our preview is here...

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The elite teams realy need to take care of business against the bottom of the league.

Creighton can lose 4 or 5 or even 6 games, but just make sure those losses come to georgetown, butler,n xavier, st johns or nova.

This would be a bad loss for the conference. Every big east fan needs to root for creighton in this one.

Friarfan2 wrote:The elite teams realy need to take care of business against the bottom of the league.

Creighton can lose 4 or 5 or even 6 games, but just make sure those losses come to georgetown, butler,n xavier, st johns or nova.

This would be a bad loss for the conference. Every big east fan needs to root for creighton in this one.

So, by your warped thinking every team that loses to Seton Hall the rest of the way is out of contention for an NCAA bid and should just close up shop as soon as the final buzzer sounds, correct?

friarfan2,
why do you assume seton hall is the bottom of the league?
they have some shitty losses, yes, but they are still 10-4 and 1-0 in the conference (and on a 3 game winning streak)
they can definitely turn it around and make a run.

Friarfan2 wrote:The elite teams realy need to take care of business against the bottom of the league.

Creighton can lose 4 or 5 or even 6 games, but just make sure those losses come to georgetown, butler,n xavier, st johns or nova.

This would be a bad loss for the conference. Every big east fan needs to root for creighton in this one.

Good thinking! You're a pretty smart guy! You just made one mistake. A quick glance at the BIG EAST standings will show you that neither team here is bottom of the league. In fact, they're tied for 1st place! So any result here would be good for the conference. It's those garbage teams like Butler, Marquette, St. John's, DePaul, and Providence that need to lose. They're all tied for last place, so there's no sense in any of them winning any more games. It would just hurt the league!

Hall2012 wrote:

Friarfan2 wrote:The elite teams realy need to take care of business against the bottom of the league.

Creighton can lose 4 or 5 or even 6 games, but just make sure those losses come to georgetown, butler,n xavier, st johns or nova.

This would be a bad loss for the conference. Every big east fan needs to root for creighton in this one.

Good thinking! You're a pretty smart guy! You just made one mistake. A quick glance at the BIG EAST standings will show you that neither team here is bottom of the league. In fact, they're tied for 1st place! So any result here would be good for the conference. It's those garbage teams like Butler, Marquette, St. John's, DePaul, and Providence that need to lose. They're all tied for last place, so there's no sense in any of them winning any more games. It would just hurt the league!

I think you know what he means, every fan except Seton Hall fans should be rooting for Creighton just like every Big East fan should be rooting against DePaul unless it's DePaul fans (and we know there aren't many of those right now).

Jet915 wrote:I think you know what he means, every fan except Seton Hall fans should be rooting for Creighton just like every Big East fan should be rooting against DePaul unless it's DePaul fans (and we know there aren't many of those right now).

No way, it's to early for that. Getting behind early frontrunners is a mid-major thing IMO. Because in typical 1 and 2 bid leagues the 1 or 2 power teams are pretty much anointed in the preseason it's easy to slip into that mode of "pushing" for them in January. But historically the BE would always have multiple surprise front runners pop up & some early front runners tank after a few weeks of conference play. Maybe at the halfway point of conference play there will more to know about who the true frontrunners are and then I'll start that game up. But until then let the games decide who would be best to represent the conference. The only thing worse than not getting multiple bids is embarrassing the league with poor performances by multiple bids.

TheHall wrote:

Jet915 wrote:I think you know what he means, every fan except Seton Hall fans should be rooting for Creighton just like every Big East fan should be rooting against DePaul unless it's DePaul fans (and we know there aren't many of those right now).

No way, it's to early for that. Getting behind early frontrunners is a mid-major thing IMO. Because in typical 1 and 2 bid leagues the 1 or 2 power teams are pretty much anointed in the preseason it's easy to slip into that mode of "pushing" for them in January. But historically the BE would always have multiple surprise front runners pop up & some early front runners tank after a few weeks of conference play. Maybe at the halfway point of conference play there will more to know about who the true frontrunners are and then I'll start that game up. But until then let the games decide who would be best to represent the conference. The only thing worse than not getting multiple bids is embarrassing the league with poor performances by multiple bids.

Amen! At this point no one is really out of the running.

TheHall wrote:

Jet915 wrote:I think you know what he means, every fan except Seton Hall fans should be rooting for Creighton just like every Big East fan should be rooting against DePaul unless it's DePaul fans (and we know there aren't many of those right now).

No way, it's to early for that. Getting behind early frontrunners is a mid-major thing IMO. Because in typical 1 and 2 bid leagues the 1 or 2 power teams are pretty much anointed in the preseason it's easy to slip into that mode of "pushing" for them in January. But historically the BE would always have multiple surprise front runners pop up & some early front runners tank after a few weeks of conference play. Maybe at the halfway point of conference play there will more to know about who the true frontrunners are and then I'll start that game up. But until then let the games decide who would be best to represent the conference. The only thing worse than not getting multiple bids is embarrassing the league with poor performances by multiple bids.

Creighton, currently projected 2nd, might not finish there and instead fall to something like 6th. That doesn't mean I want them losing to Seton Hall. The range of probable outcomes between the teams are just too distinct, and we have nearly half a season of data to back that up. It's not like it's Creighton vs. Butler or something like that.

XUFan09 wrote:

TheHall wrote:

Jet915 wrote:I think you know what he means, every fan except Seton Hall fans should be rooting for Creighton just like every Big East fan should be rooting against DePaul unless it's DePaul fans (and we know there aren't many of those right now).

No way, it's to early for that. Getting behind early frontrunners is a mid-major thing IMO. Because in typical 1 and 2 bid leagues the 1 or 2 power teams are pretty much anointed in the preseason it's easy to slip into that mode of "pushing" for them in January. But historically the BE would always have multiple surprise front runners pop up & some early front runners tank after a few weeks of conference play. Maybe at the halfway point of conference play there will more to know about who the true frontrunners are and then I'll start that game up. But until then let the games decide who would be best to represent the conference. The only thing worse than not getting multiple bids is embarrassing the league with poor performances by multiple bids.

Creighton, currently projected 2nd, might not finish there and instead fall to something like 6th. That doesn't mean I want them losing to Seton Hall. The range of probable outcomes between the teams are just too distinct, and we have nearly half a season of data to back that up. It's not like it's Creighton vs. Butler or something like that.

I get your point but no way I'm putting same importance on OOC as in-conference. Saying the BE NCAAT reps should be decided mostly by games against non-BE teams in Nov in Dec is too extreme for me. Also to say that half the season is over misses the point that this is a new season, just like the BET is another season. If a team does well in 2 out of 3 you can make the NCAAT, heck if you win only the BET you can make the NCAAT. This point is even more true for a school like SHU who's only now getting close to full strength roster-wise. How a team is playing is more important than record right now because there are plenty of games left, at a certain point that doesn't remain true. But January 3rd isn't that certain point.