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Postby robinreed » Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:11 am

Men's Basketball - Big East (2014-2015)

Conf. RPI Rank: 3 Conf. SOS Rank: 8

Only games against Division I opponents are counted.
Teams that made the tournament are in bold
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Last updated - Sat Dec 6 13:58:26 PST 2014
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RPI Rk Big East Conf All RPI SOS Rk SOS
Down 10 From Last WeekDown 10 From Last Week 15 Seton Hall 0-0 6-0 0.6663 84 0.5551
Up 5 From Last Week 30 Butler 0-0 6-1 0.6445 52 0.5765
Up 33 From Last WeekUp 33 From Last Week 36 Villanova 0-0 8-0 0.6341 165 0.5121
Down 17 From Last WeekDown 17 From Last Week 43 Providence 0-0 6-2 0.6162 75 0.5597
Down 5 From Last Week 60 St. John's 0-0 4-1 0.5990 120 0.5320
Down 15 From Last WeekDown 15 From Last Week 105 Georgetown 0-0 4-1 0.5548 150 0.5175
Down 17 From Last WeekDown 17 From Last Week 113 Marquette 0-0 4-4 0.5480 30 0.6079
Down 1 From Last Week 117 Xavier 0-0 5-2 0.5436 158 0.5150
Up 72 From Last WeekUp 72 From Last Week 151 DePaul 0-0 5-1 0.5141 270 0.4419
Down 25 From Last WeekDown 25 From Last Week 153 Creighton 0-0 6-2 0.5137 264 0.4468
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Postby robinreed » Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:20 am

All in all an exceptional day for our conference. Hopefully there are many more coming.

Projected NCAA Tournament Bids By Conference
Conference Projected Bids
Big Ten 6.6
ACC 6.1
Big 12 5.8
Pac-12 4.5
Big East 4.5
SEC 4.2
Atlantic 10 3.0
American 2.8
Mountain West 2.5
MVC 2.4
WCC 2.1

Big East Conference (4.5 Projected Bids)
Projected Seed Current Record & Projected Finish NCAA Tournament Bid Odds Seed Projection Detail
Seed S-Curve Team Proj W/L Bid Auto Bid At Large Bid Avg Seed 1-4 Seed 1 Seed
3 9 Villanova (8-0) 26-5 97% 39% 58% 3.9 68% 15%
5 20 Butler (7-1) 22-9 83% 17% 66% 6.8 24% 2%
7 26 Xavier (6-2) 21-10 75% 15% 60% 7.0 18% 1%
11 43 Georgetown (4-2) 17-12 54% 9% 45% 8.2 8% 0%
14 57 Providence (6-2) 18-13 38% 5% 33% 9.0 4% 0%
St Johns (6-1) 18-13 33% 4% 29% 9.1 3% 0%
Seton Hall (7-0) 18-12 33% 4% 29% 9.3 2% 0%
Creighton (6-2) 18-13 26% 5% 21% 9.5 1% 0%
Marquette (4-4) 14-16 10% 2% 8% 10.1 0% 0%
DePaul (5-1) 11-18 1% 0% 0% 11.4 0% 0%
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Postby Bill Marsh » Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:28 am

Big changes after all the dust settled from the past few days. Check this put!

CONFERENCES

1. Big 12
2. Big East
3. Big 10
4. ACC
5. PAC 12
6. SEC
7. A10
8. West Coast
9. American
10. Mountain West

BIG EAST

13. Villanova
18. Butler
21. Xavier
32. Seton Hall
34. Georgetown
40. St. John's
47. Providence
90. Creighton
120. Marquette
149. DePaul

Huge jump by St. John's - and deservedly so - puts 7 teams projected into the NCAA tournament!
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Postby stever20 » Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:15 pm

Bill Marsh wrote:Big changes after all the dust settled from the past few days. Check this put!

CONFERENCES

1. Big 12
2. Big East
3. Big 10
4. ACC
5. PAC 12
6. SEC
7. A10
8. West Coast
9. American
10. Mountain West

BIG EAST

13. Villanova
18. Butler
21. Xavier
32. Seton Hall
34. Georgetown
40. St. John's
47. Providence
90. Creighton
120. Marquette
149. DePaul

Huge jump by St. John's - and deservedly so - puts 7 teams projected into the NCAA tournament!

47 is no guarantee getting in the NCAA tourney. Normally there's like 20-21 teams getting in automatic 1 bid conferences. This year may be 22-23. Also PC at their projection of 18-13 is forecasted RPI of 57.3. That no where near good enough.
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Postby robinreed » Mon Dec 08, 2014 5:57 am

(In the most recent calculations, we project Villanova as the most likely winner of the 2015 Big East Championship. The second most likely team to top the Big East bracket is Butler.)

As Of:
Seed Team Quarter Semi Champ Win
3.1 Butler 97.72% 63.35% 34.35% 16.83%
5.7 Creighton 84.50% 36.54% 14.90% 5.82%
9.2 DePaul 32.62% 5.12% 1.19% 0.25%
4.8 Georgetown 91.67% 50.02% 24.10% 11.16%
7.4 Marquette 63.30% 18.32% 6.00% 1.87%
6.0 Providence 81.24% 33.07% 12.96% 4.86%
6.4 Seton Hall 77.29% 28.68% 10.82% 3.90%
6.4 St Johns 76.91% 28.92% 10.99% 4.01%
2.1 Villanova 99.59% 78.77% 55.29% 37.17%
4.0 Xavier 95.17% 57.21% 29.38% 14.11%


The 2015 Big East tournament bracket odds table above lists the round-by-round survival odds for every 2015 Big East tournament team. Using win odds calculations derived from our sophisticated power ratings, we analyze the likelihood and expected outcome of every possible path to the Big East tournament championship for every team in the 2015 Big East bracket.
Projected Conference Standings
Big East CURRENT RATINGS PROJECTION PLAYOFFS
Team conf W L Future SOS conf W L overall W L
Villanova 0 0 0.0 13.7 4.3 25.9 5.1 48.8% 37.2%
Butler 1 0 0.0 12.3 6.7 22.2 8.8 22.5% 16.8%
Xavier 0 0 0.0 10.9 7.1 20.8 10.2 12.0% 14.1%
Georgetown 0 1 0.0 10.3 8.7 18.3 10.7 6.9% 11.2%
Creighton 0 0 0.0 8.8 9.2 19.4 11.6 2.9% 5.8%
Providence 0 0 0.0 8.4 9.6 18.2 12.8 2.5% 4.9%
St Johns 0 0 0.0 8.0 10.0 18.2 12.8 2.0% 4.0%
Seton Hall 0 0 0.0 8.0 10.0 18.0 12.0 1.7% 3.9%
Marquette 0 0 0.0 6.7 11.3 14.3 15.7 0.7% 1.9%
DePaul 0 0 0.0 3.9 14.1 11.3 17.7 0.0% 0.3%
Note: This projection gives nova 26 wins, Butler 22 wins, X 21 wins, G-town 18 wins, Creighton 19 wins, PC 18 wins, SJU 18 wins, Marquette and DePaul 11 wins each. I am not sure 18 wins or less will be good enough for the dance.
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Postby robinreed » Mon Dec 08, 2014 6:03 am

Men's Basketball - Big East (2014-2015)

Conf. RPI Rank: 3 Conf. SOS Rank: 8

Only games against Division I opponents are counted.
Teams that made the tournament are in bold
This page updates daily.
Last updated - Sat Dec 6 13:58:26 PST 2014
View Power Ratings View Real Time RPIsvip
RPI Rk Big East Conf All RPI SOS Rk SOS
Down 10 From Last WeekDown 10 From Last Week 15 Seton Hall 0-0 6-0 0.6663 84 0.5551
Up 5 From Last Week 30 Butler 0-0 6-1 0.6445 52 0.5765
Up 33 From Last WeekUp 33 From Last Week 36 Villanova 0-0 8-0 0.6341 165 0.5121
Down 17 From Last WeekDown 17 From Last Week 43 Providence 0-0 6-2 0.6162 75 0.5597
Down 5 From Last Week 60 St. John's 0-0 4-1 0.5990 120 0.5320
Down 15 From Last WeekDown 15 From Last Week 105 Georgetown 0-0 4-1 0.5548 150 0.5175
Down 17 From Last WeekDown 17 From Last Week 113 Marquette 0-0 4-4 0.5480 30 0.6079
Down 1 From Last Week 117 Xavier 0-0 5-2 0.5436 158 0.5150
Up 72 From Last WeekUp 72 From Last Week 151 DePaul 0-0 5-1 0.5141 270 0.4419
Down 25 From Last WeekDown 25 From Last Week 153 Creighton 0-0 6-2 0.5137 264 0.446
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Re: RPI RANKING: FEEL FREE TO ADD OTHER RPI RANKINGS

Postby Bill Marsh » Mon Dec 08, 2014 11:02 am

stever20 wrote:
Bill Marsh wrote:Big changes after all the dust settled from the past few days. Check this put!

CONFERENCES

1. Big 12
2. Big East
3. Big 10
4. ACC
5. PAC 12
6. SEC
7. A10
8. West Coast
9. American
10. Mountain West

BIG EAST

13. Villanova
18. Butler
21. Xavier
32. Seton Hall
34. Georgetown
40. St. John's
47. Providence
90. Creighton
120. Marquette
149. DePaul

Huge jump by St. John's - and deservedly so - puts 7 teams projected into the NCAA tournament!

47 is no guarantee getting in the NCAA tourney. Normally there's like 20-21 teams getting in automatic 1 bid conferences. This year may be 22-23. Also PC at their projection of 18-13 is forecasted RPI of 57.3. That no where near good enough.


Steve, we've been over this before. The forecasted RPI may be 57.3, but the problem in looking only at that is that there aren't 56 teams with a better forecasted RPI. There are on.y 46.

Of course 47 is not a guarantee to get into the tournament. Never said it was. And at this point in the season, who cares? Nothing's guaranteed. All it does is show how well things are shaping up for the conference as a result of their OOC. You've long preached the importance of OOC wins. I'd think you'd be ecstatic about these early season results instead of nitpicking to find failed with a detail here or there. :roll:
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Postby Bill Marsh » Mon Dec 08, 2014 11:12 am

As the weekend was completed, the Big East solidified it's hold on the #2 spot with Creighton's big win and by going 3-0 yesterday. Georgetown, Creighton, & DePaul moved up while PC dropped.

CONFERENCES

1. Big 12
2. Big East
3. Big 10
4. ACC
5. PAC 12
6. SEC
7. West Coast
8. AAC
9. A10
10. Mountain West

BIG EAST

12. Villanova
18. Butler
21. Xavier
24. Georgetown
31. Seton Hall
43. St. John's
53. Providence
74. Creighton
121. Marquette
133. DePaul
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Postby handdownmandown » Mon Dec 08, 2014 11:59 am

Bill Marsh wrote:
Steve, we've been over this before. The forecasted RPI may be 57.3, but the problem in looking only at that is that there aren't 56 teams with a better forecasted RPI. There are on.y 46.

Of course 47 is not a guarantee to get into the tournament. Never said it was. And at this point in the season, who cares? Nothing's guaranteed. All it does is show how well things are shaping up for the conference as a result of their OOC. You've long preached the importance of OOC wins. I'd think you'd be ecstatic about these early season results instead of nitpicking to find failed with a detail here or there. :roll:


Thank God someone else understands this.

Also not factored in is the conference tournament. If you are the sixth and you go 0-1 you stay about the same in RPI, but a win is a tremendous boon. That opportunity isn't being considered either.

Plus there are a few other aspects regarding how they forecast that doesn't necessarily jive with how things play out that work in our favor as well.
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Re: RPI RANKING: FEEL FREE TO ADD OTHER RPI RANKINGS

Postby stever20 » Mon Dec 08, 2014 12:13 pm

Bill Marsh wrote:
stever20 wrote:
Bill Marsh wrote:Big changes after all the dust settled from the past few days. Check this put!

CONFERENCES

1. Big 12
2. Big East
3. Big 10
4. ACC
5. PAC 12
6. SEC
7. A10
8. West Coast
9. American
10. Mountain West

BIG EAST

13. Villanova
18. Butler
21. Xavier
32. Seton Hall
34. Georgetown
40. St. John's
47. Providence
90. Creighton
120. Marquette
149. DePaul

Huge jump by St. John's - and deservedly so - puts 7 teams projected into the NCAA tournament!

47 is no guarantee getting in the NCAA tourney. Normally there's like 20-21 teams getting in automatic 1 bid conferences. This year may be 22-23. Also PC at their projection of 18-13 is forecasted RPI of 57.3. That no where near good enough.


Steve, we've been over this before. The forecasted RPI may be 57.3, but the problem in looking only at that is that there aren't 56 teams with a better forecasted RPI. There are on.y 46.

Of course 47 is not a guarantee to get into the tournament. Never said it was. And at this point in the season, who cares? Nothing's guaranteed. All it does is show how well things are shaping up for the conference as a result of their OOC. You've long preached the importance of OOC wins. I'd think you'd be ecstatic about these early season results instead of nitpicking to find failed with a detail here or there. :roll:

I'm thinking it's a mathmatical formua that takes into account all the results. I'd guess they would simulate x number of seasons and when a team has a certain record, that's what their average RPI is in those seasons(using all the other results). I'd be curious to look at last year this time and seeing which of us was more correct... I will say 18-13 does seem more like a 57 type RPI than a 47 type RPI if you know what I mean(and looking at your numbers from today- RPI forecast seems to agree(though looking, RPI forecast says PC at 18-13 is 55.6 now)).

It has been a good year so far. This weekend to me was HUGE because of all the ROAD wins that we hadn't had yet. That was one thing that was starting to get problematic- the road losses. Now that's gone.

think one thing that is interesting- our Ken Pom avg this year is .7964. Good for 4th. Last year that would be good enough for #2. So it seems like the other top conferences are all much stronger than last year. The A10, MWC, MVC, WCC as a group don't seem as strong as they have in prior years. Really changes the equation quite a bit.
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