Tues 1/28 BE Game Thread (1 Game, SJU-CU).

[Westbrook36]

Every offensive player worth their salt is, mugged and held to a degree, I know Pinkston gets hammered inside and lots of times doesn't get the benefit of the doubt. The hook is the offensive equivalent of hand checking, subtle or not it should be called as it creates an unfair advantage for the offensive player.

[section202jay]

How was Pointer not ejected for his literally punch to the face of Doug at half court? I was at the game so I guess I couldn't see a close up but from my angle Pointer literally pushed Doug right in the face a couple different times in the span of 2 seconds.

And the refs were terrible both ways. The inconsistencies were off the charts.

[OutlawWales]

Every offensive player worth their salt is, mugged and held to a degree, I know Pinkston gets hammered inside and lots of times doesn't get the benefit of the doubt. The hook is the offensive equivalent of hand checking, subtle or not it should be called as it creates an unfair advantage for the offensive player.

That's just it -- it's not an "unfair" advantage anymore than allowing a defender to physically lay on the offensive player's back and hold his arms as he tries to move is "unfair." It'd be unfair if they called the defensive foul and then ignored the offensive counter to it. But they don't. You're probably right about Pinkston -- but nobody is here saying that when he lowers his shoulder and bumps the defender away it's an "unfair" advantage that should be called a charge every time, either. It's one of the rare examples of actual consistency in the officiating, imo.

[whiteandblue77]

How was Pointer not ejected for his literally punch to the face of Doug at half court? I was at the game so I guess I couldn't see a close up but from my angle Pointer literally pushed Doug right in the face a couple different times in the span of 2 seconds. And the refs were terrible both ways. The inconsistencies were off the charts.

Are you talking about the elbow to the neck? The refs made the correct call on that, they stopped the game to review and replays showed it was at his collar bone and not flagrant.

[Bill Marsh]

Every offensive player worth their salt is, mugged and held to a degree, I know Pinkston gets hammered inside and lots of times doesn't get the benefit of the doubt. The hook is the offensive equivalent of hand checking, subtle or not it should be called as it creates an unfair advantage for the offensive player.

That's just it -- it's not an "unfair" advantage anymore than allowing a defender to physically lay on the offensive player's back and hold his arms as he tries to move is "unfair." It'd be unfair if they called the defensive foul and then ignored the offensive counter to it. But they don't. You're probably right about Pinkston -- but nobody is here saying that when he lowers his shoulder and bumps the defender away it's an "unfair" advantage that should be called a charge every time, either. It's one of the rare examples of actual consistency in the officiating, imo.

Completely agree on all counts. I especially hate that bump move by low post players. I think it started with Shaq. I watched Gardner do it in the last Marquette game. To me, that's a charge every single time. It definitely allows the offensive player to gain an unfair advantage. But they never call it on anyone, so yes, it's a perfect example of consistency by the refs.

[marquette]

One of the nicknames that Shocker fans had for Doug was Captain Hook.

His last name and his skills probably lend themselves to a great many nicknames. I would consider starting a thread to investigate the topic, but I worry how it might turn out...

[SecureDaBall]

The year AFTER David West, winner of most National Player of the year awards, graduated from X; the A-10 based Muskies went to Elite 8. After West dropped 47 on Dayton I recall many people saying, well X is going to suck next year.

Seems similar to CU and McD. Not saying losing him won't hurt, but foolish to think others won't step up. The 20 something shots DMcD took last night are now available to someone else. Wait and see before writing off the Jays.

The same was said about Butler after their first Final Four run when Hayward left early.

[chicagojayfan]

There is no doubt that Creighton will miss their seniors, but while their recruiting isn't quite where they want it to be, they are still recruiting the kind of players they want for their system. Beyond that they've had very few "misses" he past couple of years. Next year's roster will be young in the front court, experienced in the back court, and I think it will be better than a lot of people imagine.

5: Artino - SR, Hanson - SO, Groselle - JR
- Overall the potential for a very good rotation at the 5. Artino is athletic and mobile. Hanson is bigger and more physical with a decent outside shot, very good athleticism and who seems to get position play in the post. Groselle is a 7-footer recovering from off season surgery, but who has started to show better mobility and post play.

4: Hanson - SO or Hegner - FR
- Hanson is mentioned above. Hegner is a similar style of player to McDermott in that he can play inside and out and is potentially a high skill stretch forward.

3: Dingman - SR, Harris - FR,
- Dingman came onto the team as a shooter/scorer, but this year has earned his minutes through tough D and rebounding. His shot has failed him for some reason (going from a 40% 3PT shooter to .257 this year... which is why SJs was laying off of him all night last night). Harris is a former PG who has passing skills, deep range and good athleticism

2: Brooks - SR, Milliken - JR (JUCO RS), Zierden - SO
- I'm expecting Brooks to start next year, but this is up in the air and likely a rotation. Brooks had one of his worst games last night, but has shown great ability to get into the paint and finish against just about everyone -- a great skill on a team of shooters. Milliken is redshirting (due to Gibbs' return) and is a good athlete shooter/scorer from JUCO. Zierden is a shooter in waiting who can do a bit of everything at guard including handling and passing.

1: Chatman - SR; Brooks - SR; Zierden - SO
- Chatman's a senior PG, Brooks is a SR as his backup, Zierden is the 3rd guy up. We will need a PG for the following year for sure.
Add in Leon Gilmore (top 150 wing player from Texas who I expect to play immediately) and Ronnie Harrell - 6-8 shooter and a high level recruit to be named and their talent level will be pretty good. They won't have a McDermott, but they will be a high skill bunch with shooters, passers and distributors all over the court and probably with more physical toughness in the paint. In particular watch for the development of Hanson and Hegner next year and look for Gilmore to play right off the bat.

[cu blujs]

2) Was McDermott fouled on the last shot, or did the second Creighton player involved undercut the defender causing him to fall into McDermott?

Frame by frame pictures of the shot posted on bluejay underground shows that McDermott was hit on the arm, but after the shot had just left his finger tips so it did not affect the shot, and also shows that he ran into McDermott before McDermott's feet hit the floor, knocking McDermott over. Zierden (screener) did not undercut the defender. Zierden set a solid screen and the defender bowled him over trying to get through him to get to McDermott.

[OutlawWales]

2) Was McDermott fouled on the last shot, or did the second Creighton player involved undercut the defender causing him to fall into McDermott?

Frame by frame pictures of the shot posted on bluejay underground shows that McDermott was hit on the arm, but after the shot had just left his finger tips so it did not affect the shot, and also shows that he ran into McDermott before McDermott's feet hit the floor, knocking McDermott over. Zierden (screener) did not undercut the defender. Zierden set a solid screen and the defender bowled him over trying to get through him to get to McDermott.

Unless you are a SJU fan -- then it was clearly an illegal screen, probably a travel, and some other kind of conspiracy instead of a great shot.