BIG EAST vs. POWER CONFERENCES

[TheHall]

A few things-
1- the committee absolutely looks at your performance OOC. If you didn't play anyone, you better have a big record to have a chance.
2- OOC matters in you have to have a certain record bare minimum. I'm sorry but if you're 17-14 you aren't making the tourney. Last year, no team with fewer than 20 wins made the tourney at large. So what does that mean? If you go 9-9 in conference games(which is that 4-7 range possibly)- you need to have gone 11-2 OOC. (or 11-4 with a BET win). If a team only goes 8-5 OOC, they would have to go 12-6 in conference play to get to 20 wins. Good luck there with the parity in this conference. The committee has changed a lot in this regard- years back you would see a 16-14 team make the tourney. Those days appear to be over. Part of that is the line between majors/mid majors has evaporated for the most part- so we see more mid-majors making the tourney than ever before.
3- OOC matters as a league because it matters if you are playing a team ranked 20th or a team ranked 30th.
4- yes I'm pretty sure that Georgetown gives a crap about seeding- even with the last few years. The records as you go down in seeds go down- and at a certain level considerably. I mean, the difference between a 6 and 7 seed and 8 seed- huge. 49 vs 23 vs 14. Some seeds, there isn't that much of a difference- like 4 vs 5. But like 3 vs 4- big one.

[b]I give you Virginia as a prime example.[/b] Last year they went 11-7 in conference play finishing 5th and had 23 wins overall.. So they were playing well at the end of the season. But they missed the tourney because of November and December. The selection committee does look at November and December quite a bit. For one- it's when they can see teams on a neutral site vs other quality teams. Also, head to head happens in November/December- if you beat someone head to head- it definitely matters come March when both are on the bubble.

That's my point. You're referring to a bubble team from last year, not the entire ACC. All season matters not just OCC. Another way to put it, do you think there will there be meaningful bball played in-conference this year?

But that's my point. If the rest of the ACC had done better OOC last year, UVA makes the tourney.

Of course there will be meaningful basketball played in conference this year. OOC play determines just how meaningful conference play is.

And then conference play determines how meaningful the BET is to your team. They all matter, that's all I'm saying.

[Lavinwood]

Georgia Tech just lost to Dayton.

Let the ACC rotting keep coming!

[stever20]

may get even better- NC State losing by 5 to NC Central 2 minutes into overtime....

[Jet915]

Hahahahahaha, NC Central beats NC State! Suck it ACC.

[Lavinwood]

So fun rooting against the ACC! I really think that when Boeheim leaves Cuse they will take a decent step back. They are losing their NYC influence as well. Not saying they'd be awful, but they might be more of a top 15-20 team instead of top 10 without Boeheim. UNC just lost an awful game, NC State just lost an awful game, Duke had a very close call vs. East Carolina, etc. Miami was also a 1 season wonder as I predicted. Miami, FSU, and NC State will not be perennial powerhouses. They all just got red hot at the right times last year. All of a sudden the ACC is not nearly as scary. They more have more top 10 teams, but they are front loaded and after Cuse, Duke, UNC and L'Ville next year there is a huge drop off. I really think Cuse and West Virginia especially shot themselves in the foot bolting the Big East for different conferences. Cuse was PERFECT here. They fixed something that wasn't broken, and once Jim retires who knows? The teams like ND, Miami, Pitt, FSU, NC State, GT, VT, Virginia, etc. are all screwed now. The ACC is way too front loaded to ever make any real run. I like how our league is so deep. They have a few blue bloods then everyone else.

[Burrito]

That's a nice win for Dayton over Georgia Tech (a mid tier ACC team).

Dayton plays against Gonzaga next week. Also Depaul plays Wichita State next week. Interested to see how those games turn out.

[TheHall]

KenPom now has 5 teams (a third) of the ACC (#88 Miami, #95 BC, #98 WF, #118 NC St, #144 VT) ranked lower than the lowest ranked BE team SHU at #83.

[redmen9194]

Just updating the schedule as the tournies are underway


vs. ACC: 1-0
vs. Big 10: 0-2
vs. Pac-12: 0-1
vs. Big XII: 0-0
vs. SEC: 2-0
vs. AAC: 0-0

OVERALL: 3-3


11/22: Vanderbilt vs. Providence
Oklahoma vs. Seton Hall
Georgetown vs. Kansas State

[redmen9194]

Early Friday afternoon update. Hoyas bounce back and grab a win from Kansas St. and the Big XII.

vs. ACC: 1-0
vs. Big 10: 0-2
vs. Pac-12: 0-1
vs. Big XII: 1-0
vs. SEC: 2-0
vs. AAC: 0-0

OVERALL: 4-3

Two more to go tonight...

11/22: Vanderbilt vs. Providence
Oklahoma vs. Seton Hall

[marquette]

Early Friday afternoon update. Hoyas bounce back and grab a win from Kansas St. and the Big XII.

vs. ACC: 1-0
vs. Big 10: 0-2
vs. Pac-12: 0-1
vs. Big XII: 1-0
vs. SEC: 2-0
vs. AAC: 0-0

OVERALL: 4-3

Two more to go tonight...

11/22: Vanderbilt vs. Providence
Oklahoma vs. Seton Hall

I don't know much about Oklahoma this year, but Providence definitely has a winnable game. Go get 'em pirates and friars.