Power 5 "autonomy" vote discussion

[hoyahooligan]

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UGH, WHEN DOES THE BIG EAST SCHEDULE GET RELEASED???

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I think it seems to take longer last year and this year is we no longer get the mid summer announcement of which opponents are home and away and who we play twice with out the order or dates. That usually broke it up because we could analyze who had the easiest mirror games and who got the best home and away splits. Obviously with a strict home and home vs everyone that's no longer necessary.

[muskienick]

Regarding P5 autonomy, there will be a LOT of schools that will be unable to keep up, forcing them to either drop football down or level or eliminate completely. I see Hawaii doing this in the next few years (no way recruits consider them now with their AD publicly unsure of the program's future). I see Idaho in that boat. Same for UAB.

A more interesting question might be: When will the "Power 5" become the "4 x 16 +1"? If that were to happen in the not-too-distant future, the chances for the likes of UConn, Cincy, Memphis. Boise St., Navy, etc. catching the eye of one of the "4 x 16" would be non-existent.

After all, you can't be seen by those who simply are not looking!

[stever20]

Last year they released on September 5th, though I would definitely like to see it done sooner than that.

that timeframe is fairly typical- even with the old Big East- got released right about then. Have to remember the NBA schedule just came out last Wed. so it taking 3 weeks doesn't seem that long quite frankly.

[HoosierPal]

The fun begins. The first item on the autonomy agenda is to get through the two month review period without a substantial number of NCAA schools officially voting no. Everything that I have read said that it should sail through. Ivy and CAA schools, a few of them at least, have objected, but the number of schools needed to kill the proposal is in the 100's.

There is already interesting discussion on how to tackle the first item, cost of attendance. First point, is it only for revenue sports, or all sports - male and female? Nothing that I have read shows a resolution. With Title IX firmly established, this won't be just for men's football and basketball. Next, how do you differentiate between high cost of living schools and others? It certainly costs less to 'attend and live' in Omaha and Indianapolis than it does in New York and Chicago. So will athletes from St. John's and DePaul get a bigger paycheck than Butler and Creighton? That is part of the discussion, but likely they will. The cost of living is higher in those areas. And how will the potential student athlete view that? "Hey, I can get more spending dough going to DePaul than I can get going to Butler." Will the prospective athlete be savy enough to factor in the cost of living?

Stay tuned. This will get interesting.

[FormulaX]

Cost of living? I've heard many student athletes have more money on the Prepaid-food-cards then they know what to do with. It doesn't seem like we are hearing much from the "suffering student athletes" on much of this.

[GumbyDamnit!]

I do agree with you that we're going to see a lot of schools that are unable to keep up. I think CUSA, SBC, and maybe some of the MWC are in deep trouble. I think the AAC and some of the MWC will be able to keep up... MAC not sure about...

If you are talking about FB then you are not thinking this through at all Stever. Who will they keep up with? The P5? Now that's funny. So when the P5 own/run all the significant bowl games, you really think that a team outside of their little club is just going to be invited to the party so they can get their fair share of the $ and exposure? Now that's funny. Unfortunately what this signals is that the Boise State's of the world and the AAC or MAC team that has has a great year is still going to be invited to the Chico's Bail Bonds Poinsetta Bowl while the BCS Bowls will be full of their own P5 teams. Talk about a great recruiting pitch that someone like Cincy can put out there when competing against OSU, L'ville or Tennessee (or even Kentucky) for an elite player from southern OH or N. KY: "Why go there (and have a legitimate shot at a NC), when you can come here and play in a bowl game on Dec. 22nd in Albuquerque vs. Fresno St." On the hoops side you can go to a Bucknell or a Wich St. and know that you have a very good shot of competing in the NC tourney every year. In FB the field, from this point forward, will never be level again.

[Xudash]

I do agree with you that we're going to see a lot of schools that are unable to keep up. I think CUSA, SBC, and maybe some of the MWC are in deep trouble. I think the AAC and some of the MWC will be able to keep up... MAC not sure about...

If you are talking about FB then you are not thinking this through at all Stever. Who will they keep up with? The P5? Now that's funny. So when the P5 own/run all the significant bowl games, you really think that a team outside of their little club is just going to be invited to the party so they can get their fair share of the $ and exposure? Now that's funny. Unfortunately what this signals is that the Boise State's of the world and the AAC or MAC team that has has a great year is still going to be invited to the Chico's Bail Bonds Poinsetta Bowl while the BCS Bowls will be full of their own P5 teams. Talk about a great recruiting pitch that someone like Cincy can put out there when competing against OSU, L'ville or Tennessee (or even Kentucky) for an elite player from southern OH or N. KY: "Why go there (and have a legitimate shot at a NC), when you can come here and play in a bowl game on Dec. 22nd in Albuquerque vs. Fresno St." On the hoops side you can go to a Bucknell or a Wich St. and know that you have a very good shot of competing in the NC tourney every year. In FB the field, from this point forward, will never be level again.

This is exactly why I was dumbfounded when I read that UC's BoT signed off on an $80 million (limited and limiting) improvement plan for Nippert Stadium. Why couldn't they have waited to see how this was going to shake out. Improvements to that stadium as being made were not going to make a difference anyway; doing them now obviously did not have the effect of garnering an invitation from the B12.

UC and UCONN, in particular, really got burnt in all this.

[stever20]

They did give the G5 an access bowl slot- so yes a team will be invited to the party every year... The AAC will get that slot a majority of the time now- and if the autonomy thing takes out a lot of the SBC, CUSA, and MAC- along with some of the MWC- it's going to be like the AAC is a regular member in terms of exposure. $$$ no, but exposure yes.

Also- on the hoops side, while you can go to a Bucknell and have a shot of competing in the tourney each year- I'm sorry- but it's not level at all. Bucknell has about a 0% chance of ever making the sweet 16. So they get in the party- but they have no chance of really competing.

[Vill]

Also- on the hoops side, while you can go to a Bucknell and have a shot of competing in the tourney each year- I'm sorry- but it's not level at all. Bucknell has about a 0% chance of ever making the sweet 16. So they get in the party- but they have no chance of really competing.

Bucknell won first round games in the NCAA tournament in '05 and '06. I'd say they had a decent chance of advancing to the Sweet 16 those years. VCU made a Final 4 as a play-in team that wouldn't have even made the tournament a couple of years earlier. Hard to make the statement that they can't really compete when recent history has shown any school can win.

[stever20]

Also- on the hoops side, while you can go to a Bucknell and have a shot of competing in the tourney each year- I'm sorry- but it's not level at all. Bucknell has about a 0% chance of ever making the sweet 16. So they get in the party- but they have no chance of really competing.

Bucknell won first round games in the NCAA tournament in '05 and '06. I'd say they had a decent chance of advancing to the Sweet 16 those years. VCU made a Final 4 as a play-in team that wouldn't have even made the tournament a couple of years earlier. Hard to make the statement that they can't really compete when recent history has shown any school can win.

Big difference in winning a game or two or being level. Also, won't be shocked at all if the P5 basically demands that the Play in games change to the worst 8 teams and thus pushing a Bucknell down to being a 14 or 15 seed. And- big difference between a Bucknell and a VCU.