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Re: How many more wins each team needs to get in

Postby hoyahooligan » Thu Mar 06, 2014 9:44 am

If Georgetown beats Nova there in. If they beat nova and win their first BET game they're a lock. If they lose to Nova and win two in the BET they're a lock. If they lose to Nova and only win one in the BET they probably end up on the wrong side of the bubble depending on who the 1 team is. If they get the 6 seed and beat the 3 seed it might be enough.

St. John's is definitely behind Georgetown at this point. Georgetown has a better RPI, SOS, and better wins. Georgetown only has 1 more bad loss. St. John's needs to win on Saturday and make the BET final at least.

I think Xavier is in but 1 more win makes the a lock. But I think they still get in with out one.

Providence I think needs one more win too to get in. They wouldn't be a lock, but I think they'd get in.

I'm thinking we get 5: Nova, Creighton, Xavier, Georgetown, and Providence.
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Re: How many more wins each team needs to get in

Postby stever20 » Thu Mar 06, 2014 9:55 am

hoyahooligan wrote:If Georgetown beats Nova there in. If they beat nova and win their first BET game they're a lock. If they lose to Nova and win two in the BET they're a lock. If they lose to Nova and only win one in the BET they probably end up on the wrong side of the bubble depending on who the 1 team is. If they get the 6 seed and beat the 3 seed it might be enough.

St. John's is definitely behind Georgetown at this point. Georgetown has a better RPI, SOS, and better wins. Georgetown only has 1 more bad loss. St. John's needs to win on Saturday and make the BET final at least.

I think Xavier is in but 1 more win makes the a lock. But I think they still get in with out one.

Providence I think needs one more win too to get in. They wouldn't be a lock, but I think they'd get in.

I'm thinking we get 5: Nova, Creighton, Xavier, Georgetown, and Providence.

Agree with Georgetown- except I think if we beat Nova, finish 7th, and beat DePaul/Butler, we're in, no matter how we do vs Creighton/Nova in the BET. I just think the tough part is actually beating Nova. Not saying we can't, but they're a darn good team, playing for a #1 seed. They're that for a reason....

Xavier I really don't think they're in if they lose out. Too many teams winning around them- not to mention if a team or two steals a bid.
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Re: How many more wins each team needs to get in

Postby hoyahooligan » Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:30 am

stever20 wrote:
hoyahooligan wrote:If Georgetown beats Nova there in. If they beat nova and win their first BET game they're a lock. If they lose to Nova and win two in the BET they're a lock. If they lose to Nova and only win one in the BET they probably end up on the wrong side of the bubble depending on who the 1 team is. If they get the 6 seed and beat the 3 seed it might be enough.

St. John's is definitely behind Georgetown at this point. Georgetown has a better RPI, SOS, and better wins. Georgetown only has 1 more bad loss. St. John's needs to win on Saturday and make the BET final at least.

I think Xavier is in but 1 more win makes the a lock. But I think they still get in with out one.

Providence I think needs one more win too to get in. They wouldn't be a lock, but I think they'd get in.

I'm thinking we get 5: Nova, Creighton, Xavier, Georgetown, and Providence.

Agree with Georgetown- except I think if we beat Nova, finish 7th, and beat DePaul/Butler, we're in, no matter how we do vs Creighton/Nova in the BET. I just think the tough part is actually beating Nova. Not saying we can't, but they're a darn good team, playing for a #1 seed. They're that for a reason....

Xavier I really don't think they're in if they lose out. Too many teams winning around them- not to mention if a team or two steals a bid.


Are they really playing for a #1 seed? I don't see it. They just don't have enough quality wins imo. Villanova 25-3 RPI 4 SOS 25 Top 50 wins 4 Top 25 wins 1 no bad losses. Just doesn't cut it IMO in terms of quality wins. Heck Wichita St has 3 top 50 wins and 1 top 25 win and people are up in arms about them possibly getting a #1 seed and they're undefeated.

Arizona- 28-2 RPI 1; SOS 6; Top 50 wins 10; Top 25 wins 4; no bad losses
Florida 28-2 RPI 3; SOS 24; Top 50 wins 6; Top 25 wins 2; no bad losses
Kansas 23-7 RPI 2; SOS 1; Top 50 wins 12; Top 25 wins 5; no bad losses
Wisconsin 25-5 RPI 5; SOS 2; Top 50 wins 8; Top 25 wins 5; 1 bad loss( 131 Northwestern)

are all clearly better than Nova's profile IMO.

Michigan 22-7 RPI 10 SOS 5 Top 50 wins 10 top 25 wins 3 1 bad loss(160 Charlotte) is debatably better as well.

Heck I might even prefer Creighton's resume to theirs despite the 3 extra losses when balanced with the 2 poundings they gave Nova.
Creighton 23-6 RPI 7 SOS 15 Top 50 wins 6 Top 25 wins 2 no bad losses

Yes I take Nova over the 3 ACC chumps of Cuse, Duke, and UVA, but I still think they don't really have a shot at jumping to the 1 line. I'd still take Arizona, Florida, Kansas, and Wisonsin over them even if none of them won their conference tournaments and Nova won theirs.
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Re: How many more wins each team needs to get in

Postby XUFan09 » Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:42 am

Xavier needs to win a game more than anything so that they can prove they can win without Matt Stainbrook.
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Postby stever20 » Thu Mar 06, 2014 11:44 am

XUFan09 wrote:Xavier needs to win a game more than anything so that they can prove they can win without Matt Stainbrook.

While I agree, I think even if he was healthy they still would have needed the win, especially with all the other bubble teams picking up wins.
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Re: How many more wins each team needs to get in

Postby tsmithohio1234 » Thu Mar 06, 2014 12:17 pm

Lunardi as of this morning 3//6 bids by conference
Big 12 7
Pac-12 6
Big Ten 6
Atlantic 10 6
American 5
ACC 5
SEC 4
Big East 3
Mountain West 2
West Coast 2

Ouch !!!
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Re: How many more wins each team needs to get in

Postby stever20 » Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:18 pm

tsmithohio1234 wrote:Lunardi as of this morning 3//6 bids by conference
Big 12 7
Pac-12 6
Big Ten 6
Atlantic 10 6
American 5
ACC 5
SEC 4
Big East 3
Mountain West 2
West Coast 2

Ouch !!!

right now- here's the numbers when you look at teams seeded 10 and up/1st 8 teams out
Pac 12 3/1(3 seeded 1-9)
SEC 2/2(2)
A10 2/0(4)
ACC 1/1(4)
BE 1/3(2)
WCC 1/0(1)
B10 1/1(5)

B12 7
AAC 5
MWC 2
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Re: How many more wins each team needs to get in

Postby XUFan09 » Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:50 pm

stever20 wrote:
XUFan09 wrote:Xavier needs to win a game more than anything so that they can prove they can win without Matt Stainbrook.

While I agree, I think even if he was healthy they still would have needed the win, especially with all the other bubble teams picking up wins.


Most of those bubble teams are going to turn around and lose when they need to win. It's just the way of the world for bubble teams and it happens every year.
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Re: How many more wins each team needs to get in

Postby stever20 » Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:57 pm

XUFan09 wrote:
stever20 wrote:
XUFan09 wrote:Xavier needs to win a game more than anything so that they can prove they can win without Matt Stainbrook.

While I agree, I think even if he was healthy they still would have needed the win, especially with all the other bubble teams picking up wins.


Most of those bubble teams are going to turn around and lose when they need to win. It's just the way of the world for bubble teams and it happens every year.

while somewhat true- some teams like Baylor and Oklahoma St with their wins earlier this week pretty much locked up bids. I mean, we were at like 26 at larges locked up going into yesterday, Colorado won locking a spot, and Tennesse/Missouri both won- guaranteeing the winner of their game this weekend a spot, and GW won, pretty much guaranteeing them a spot. So right there is 29 at large spots pretty close to locks now. Leaves only 7 spots left.
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Re: How many more wins each team needs to get in

Postby hoyahooligan » Thu Mar 06, 2014 1:59 pm

According to team rankings here is how likely the BE bubble teams are to make the tournament based on their total wins at the end of the year:

Georgetown: 18 wins 32% chance
19 wins 70.5% chance
20 wins 83.4% chance

Xavier: 20 wins: 29.9% chance
21 wins: 74.5% chance
22 wins: 94.1% chance

Providence: 20 wins: 25.2% chance
21 wins: 64.1% chance
22 wins: 86.1% chance

St. Johns: 20 wins: 7.4% chance
21 wins: 34.6% chance
22 wins: 80% chance
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