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Re: Memphis and Cincy to Big 12?

Postby NJRedman » Mon Dec 08, 2014 8:43 pm

HoosierPal wrote:The Big 12 may NOT have to expand to have a conference football playoff. Current NCAA bylaws require teams to have a minimum of six teams in each division to stage a championship game. It is believed to be a non-controversial change to rescind that rule if the Big 12 wanted to stage such a game with 10 teams. With the new P5 autonomy, that would be a slam dunk.


There is not a chance in hell the other F5 conferences would okay that. Let me repeat myself. Not. A. Chance. In. HELL! The B12 would have an advantage over the other leagues.
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Postby stever20 » Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:33 pm

first off totally agree with Redman about the Big 12. NO way the other P5 conferences allow that.

2nd off- saw something that Notre Dame is evaluating things after this year. Just have a feeling them seeing a 11-1 team not get in while the other 12-1 teams with conference championship games get in hit them pretty hard.
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Re: Memphis and Cincy to Big 12?

Postby HoosierPal » Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:35 pm

NJRedman wrote:
HoosierPal wrote:The Big 12 may NOT have to expand to have a conference football playoff. Current NCAA bylaws require teams to have a minimum of six teams in each division to stage a championship game. It is believed to be a non-controversial change to rescind that rule if the Big 12 wanted to stage such a game with 10 teams. With the new P5 autonomy, that would be a slam dunk.


There is not a chance in hell the other F5 conferences would okay that. Let me repeat myself. Not. A. Chance. In. HELL! The B12 would have an advantage over the other leagues.



Please explain your reason. This year each Big 12 team played the other nine members. Others in the P5 only played 8 in their conference. Others in the P5 can play title game opponents from their opposite division that they have already played. In the Big 12, with 10, that would be automatic. Where is the advantage? If TCU played Baylor this year in a conference championship game, it would put the Big 12 on equal footing with the other P5 schools.
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Re: Memphis and Cincy to Big 12?

Postby R Jay » Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:40 pm

How would they do the championship game with 10 teams since they wouldn't have two divisions? I would assume it would be #1 vs #2 in the standings at a neutral site (AT&T Stadium?).
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Re: Memphis and Cincy to Big 12?

Postby TheBasketballOpinion » Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:42 pm

https://twitter.com/McMurphyESPN/status ... 3871362048

"Every person I spoke to today that’s from Big 12 or Big 12 school: league is not expanding"

looks like this isn't happening for the time being
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Re: Memphis and Cincy to Big 12?

Postby HoosierPal » Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:44 pm

R Jay wrote:How would they do the championship game with 10 teams since they wouldn't have two divisions? I would assume it would be #1 vs #2 in the standings at a neutral site (AT&T Stadium?).


I think you answered your own question. Seems like a logical method.
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Postby R Jay » Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:46 pm

Since we're here, if TCU and Baylor had played again in a championship game, would the winner have made it into the playoff?
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Re: Memphis and Cincy to Big 12?

Postby HoosierPal » Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:53 pm

R Jay wrote:Since we're here, if TCU and Baylor had played again in a championship game, would the winner have made it into the playoff?


Good question. Baylor beat TCU by 3 way back in October. If Baylor wins the hypothetical rematch, then yeah, I think they make it over the Ohio State. If TCU wins, maybe not.
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Re: Memphis and Cincy to Big 12?

Postby NJRedman » Mon Dec 08, 2014 10:15 pm

HoosierPal wrote:
NJRedman wrote:
HoosierPal wrote:The Big 12 may NOT have to expand to have a conference football playoff. Current NCAA bylaws require teams to have a minimum of six teams in each division to stage a championship game. It is believed to be a non-controversial change to rescind that rule if the Big 12 wanted to stage such a game with 10 teams. With the new P5 autonomy, that would be a slam dunk.


There is not a chance in hell the other F5 conferences would okay that. Let me repeat myself. Not. A. Chance. In. HELL! The B12 would have an advantage over the other leagues.



Please explain your reason. This year each Big 12 team played the other nine members. Others in the P5 only played 8 in their conference. Others in the P5 can play title game opponents from their opposite division that they have already played. In the Big 12, with 10, that would be automatic. Where is the advantage? If TCU played Baylor this year in a conference championship game, it would put the Big 12 on equal footing with the other P5 schools.


Many reasons. Every F5 conference gets the same amount of money for the playoff. The B12 teams get more money per team. That's an advantage for them. They can chose the teams for the CCG. You're telling me the SEC wouldn't have rather had Bama vs Miss St or the B1G have OSU vs MSU? TCU and Baylor would more than likely be in the same division in a 12 team B12. Getting to chose your CCG teams is a big time advantage. Everyone else expanded to 12 for a CCG. The B1G was denied for years an exception to play one with 11 teams. Why would they be okay with letting the B12 now do it? Same with the Pac. Why would these conferences be okay with this rule change now that they have an advantage to keep the B12 out?
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Re: Memphis and Cincy to Big 12?

Postby HoosierPal » Mon Dec 08, 2014 10:28 pm

NJRedman wrote:
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NJRedman wrote:There is not a chance in hell the other F5 conferences would okay that. Let me repeat myself. Not. A. Chance. In. HELL! The B12 would have an advantage over the other leagues.



Please explain your reason. This year each Big 12 team played the other nine members. Others in the P5 only played 8 in their conference. Others in the P5 can play title game opponents from their opposite division that they have already played. In the Big 12, with 10, that would be automatic. Where is the advantage? If TCU played Baylor this year in a conference championship game, it would put the Big 12 on equal footing with the other P5 schools.


Many reasons. Every F5 conference gets the same amount of money for the playoff. The B12 teams get more money per team. That's an advantage for them. They can chose the teams for the CCG. You're telling me the SEC wouldn't have rather had Bama vs Miss St or the B1G have OSU vs MSU? TCU and Baylor would more than likely be in the same division in a 12 team B12. Getting to chose your CCG teams is a big time advantage. Everyone else expanded to 12 for a CCG. The B1G was denied for years an exception to play one with 11 teams. Why would they be okay with letting the B12 now do it? Same with the Pac. Why would these conferences be okay with this rule change now that they have an advantage to keep the B12 out?


Not following this. The Big 12 won't get any more or less money if they have a championship game. They wouldn't "chose" the two teams, they would set up 1 v 2. Surely you don't think that the Big 12 will be permanently excluded from the Championship Series because they don't have a Conference Champ Game? This year is likely an aberration.

And the Big 12 championship game conversation is already happening, so this may become a moot discussion. The "No Chance In Hell" may be closer than you think.
http://fansided.com/2014/12/08/big-12-discussing-adding-conference-championship-game/
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