Tuesday, Feb. 5, 2019 (1) Big East Games...

[GoldenWarrior11]

Big win for the Johnnies, that will likely punch their ticket if they can finish Big East at 9-9.

This never gets old. Always makes me laugh.

[aughnanure]

We were called for tic tacs and they were hacking our guys driving with no calls for 80% of the game. A Marquette player also flopped badly in the final minute when Ponds drove to score the go-ahead layup. I'm actually shocked they didn't call an offensive foul the way the game was being called much of the game prior. I'm not putting it all on the refs because we went into our own scoring lulls as we ran out of energy late, but the refs certainly helped Marquette get back in the game. At one point I think we were called for 19 or 20 fouls while Marquette had 9. That would make sense if we weren't driving but we were. They seemed to be more fair in the final minutes thankfully.

This win was huge for the conference...Indiana just beat #6 MSU and they were one of the last teams in like us, so this puts us in a good spot. Finally clawed back to .500, now let's see if we can get some level of consistency and beat some teams at home. I want to pay back Butler and it looks like Tucker has come back down to earth. He played the game of his life against us and nothing against others. We now need G'Town, Creighton, or SHU to step up and string together some wins to be in good position for the 4th bid. Maybe we get 5 by another team winning the BET.

Just cause you drive doesn't = the other team fouls. Also, fouls don't have to be equal - that does not mean a game was even or not uneven. I grew up watching Kansas (ugh) and what will happen is they will get the huge game-changing calls and then the other team will receive the BS make-up calls that don't change possession or impact the flow of the game. But at the end, the fouls were equal so it was evenly called right?! One thing Wojo has actually done well since he's been at Marquette is not picking up too many unnecessary fouls once we get beat on a drive.

And tic-tac fouls? I mean, jeez people are pretty blind to their team. The hand checking and body bumping has gotten pretty ridiculous across the sport and Johnnies are simply a lot more aggressive on that that MU and were called for it. Luckily though for you, the refs noticed and did call a bunch of pretty big calls on MU later to help make up the early difference.

There's been a few games where MU has been on the beneficial side of the calls, but this wasn't one where it was unearned. The Hausers and Howard don't honestly foul much (a little slow footed and lot of effort to put arms straight up when they get beat instead of hacking for a dream block) and you got the calls on John early to get him out of the game for a significant portion.

[kayako]

Just cause you drive doesn't = the other team fouls. Also, fouls don't have to be equal - that does not mean a game was even or not uneven. I grew up watching Kansas (ugh) and what will happen is they will get the huge game-changing calls and then the other team will receive the BS make-up calls that don't change possession or impact the flow of the game. But at the end, the fouls were equal so it was evenly called right?! One thing Wojo has actually done well since he's been at Marquette is not picking up too many unnecessary fouls once we get beat on a drive.

And tic-tac fouls? I mean, jeez people are pretty blind to their team. The hand checking and body bumping has gotten pretty ridiculous across the sport and Johnnies are simply a lot more aggressive on that that MU and were called for it. Luckily though for you, the refs noticed and did call a bunch of pretty big calls on MU later to help make up the early difference.

There's been a few games where MU has been on the beneficial side of the calls, but this wasn't one where it was unearned. The Hausers and Howard don't honestly foul much (a little slow footed and lot of effort to put arms straight up when they get beat instead of hacking for a dream block) and you got the calls on John early to get him out of the game for a significant portion.

I did enjoy your perspective on this. But you were replying to mayem, the resident heaven or hell guy. According to him the Johnnies are the unluckiest team in America and should be blowing teams by 20 in most games, but they're held back by Tim Donaghy clones every game and the worst basketball coach in the world.

[ArmyVet]

As an impartial observer I didn't see anything about the refereeing that should cause consternation from the masses. When Anim hit that three from the corner it felt like the Johnnies NCAA hopes went up in smoke, so credit to SJU for scoring and defending at the end. In many ways that might have been the most important result of the Big East slate so far because it really helped solidify a third bid with half the conference season to play.

[SJUBBALL]

Thought Marquette got a few calls early, but as someone above mentioned it appeared the refs noticed the foul disparity and gave the johnnies a bunch of calls in the final 10 minutes of the game.

[aughnanure]

Just cause you drive doesn't = the other team fouls. Also, fouls don't have to be equal - that does not mean a game was even or not uneven. I grew up watching Kansas (ugh) and what will happen is they will get the huge game-changing calls and then the other team will receive the BS make-up calls that don't change possession or impact the flow of the game. But at the end, the fouls were equal so it was evenly called right?! One thing Wojo has actually done well since he's been at Marquette is not picking up too many unnecessary fouls once we get beat on a drive.

And tic-tac fouls? I mean, jeez people are pretty blind to their team. The hand checking and body bumping has gotten pretty ridiculous across the sport and Johnnies are simply a lot more aggressive on that that MU and were called for it. Luckily though for you, the refs noticed and did call a bunch of pretty big calls on MU later to help make up the early difference.

There's been a few games where MU has been on the beneficial side of the calls, but this wasn't one where it was unearned. The Hausers and Howard don't honestly foul much (a little slow footed and lot of effort to put arms straight up when they get beat instead of hacking for a dream block) and you got the calls on John early to get him out of the game for a significant portion.

I did enjoy your perspective on this. But you were replying to mayem, the resident heaven or hell guy. According to him the Johnnies are the unluckiest team in America and should be blowing teams by 20 in most games, but they're held back by Tim Donaghy clones every game and the worst basketball coach in the world.

Ha, thanks. I've been slowly getting annoyed with some critics I keep saying that MU gets all the calls from a variety of posters here and on their teams' board, especially since I've been utterly horrified by how the games have been called as well (case in point the first 3-4 minutes of the @Xavier game where John got 2 fouls for doing nothing, the dumb tech call on Steele, or BS flagrant on I forget Providence, maybe?).

But I still feel, barring a few specific calls or runs, the games have been called generally equally terrible for both sides.

It's the consistency of the refs between games and even halves that has ruined games. If a game is being called super super tight in the first 5-10 minutes, that completely changes how one team plays and has an impact throughout the rest of the game so don't tell me the refs don't matter. But then the refs go from barely caring about contact in 1 half to calling everything in the second (and then later in the 2nd, back to not calling that contact) and the players and fans are all just confused and angry for equally valid reasons.