Will Big 5 split from NCAA basketball?

[SJHooper]

I don't think the P5 can have its own tournament in basketball and be successful to the same degree of the current setup.

Taking cinderellas out of the tournament makes it much less intriguing and would ruin it forever.

[stever20]

I don't think the P5 can have its own tournament in basketball and be successful to the same degree of the current setup.

Taking cinderellas out of the tournament makes it much less intriguing and would ruin it forever.

I don't disagree with you at all. But I don't think the P5 really gives a rip about that either. I think the NCAA tourney frankly is the only thing keeping things where they are right now quite frankly, and 10 years from now- that's not going to be the case....

[Xudash]

I don't think the P5 can have its own tournament in basketball and be successful to the same degree of the current setup.

Taking cinderellas out of the tournament makes it much less intriguing and would ruin it forever.

I don't disagree with you at all. But I don't think the P5 really gives a rip about that either. I think the NCAA tourney frankly is the only thing keeping things where they are right now quite frankly, and 10 years from now- that's not going to be the case....

The P5 absolutely gives a rip about that, because the Tournament as it presently exists is what creates the money package that comes with it.

Perhaps some trimming of lower level conferences may occur, and that isn't even a given due to political reasons, but the fundamental concepts of inclusivity and David/Goliath aren't exiting this Tournament's make-up. The President's and the AD's of the P5 understand that, and they also understand how badly they would look were they to totally break away.

[stever20]

I don't think the P5 can have its own tournament in basketball and be successful to the same degree of the current setup.

Taking cinderellas out of the tournament makes it much less intriguing and would ruin it forever.

I don't disagree with you at all. But I don't think the P5 really gives a rip about that either. I think the NCAA tourney frankly is the only thing keeping things where they are right now quite frankly, and 10 years from now- that's not going to be the case....

The P5 absolutely gives a rip about that, because the Tournament as it presently exists is what creates the money package that comes with it.

Perhaps some trimming of lower level conferences may occur, and that isn't even a given due to political reasons, but the fundamental concepts of inclusivity and David/Goliath aren't exiting this Tournament's make-up. The President's and the AD's of the P5 understand that, and they also understand how badly they would look were they to totally break away.

The thing is, the P5 is only seeing about 100 million of that each year(actually if that much). In 2011-12 the latest figures I could see, they got about 87 million of the 184 million that was distributed. Now with the Big East broken up, that number will rise on the P5 side probably closer to 100 million. Remember the entire package is worth about 740 million per year- so you can bet the P5 is going to be looking at getting a much larger share of that money.

[aughnanure]

I don't think the P5 can have its own tournament in basketball and be successful to the same degree of the current setup.

Taking cinderellas out of the tournament makes it much less intriguing and would ruin it forever.

I don't disagree with you at all. But I don't think the P5 really gives a rip about that either. I think the NCAA tourney frankly is the only thing keeping things where they are right now quite frankly, and 10 years from now- that's not going to be the case....

If they try to kill the NCAA tournament they will never ever get it back. You take away Selection Sunday and people having fun picking their brackets, you can't just replace that. This, again, is not football.

Also, what's keeping it together is those schools don't want to sanction and regulate the dozens of other collegiate sports that the NCAA does.

[stever20]

I don't think the P5 can have its own tournament in basketball and be successful to the same degree of the current setup.

Taking cinderellas out of the tournament makes it much less intriguing and would ruin it forever.

I don't disagree with you at all. But I don't think the P5 really gives a rip about that either. I think the NCAA tourney frankly is the only thing keeping things where they are right now quite frankly, and 10 years from now- that's not going to be the case....

If they try to kill the NCAA tournament they will never ever get it back. You take away Selection Sunday and people having fun picking their brackets, you can't just replace that. This, again, is not football.

Also, what's keeping it together is those schools don't want to sanction and regulate the dozens of other collegiate sports that the NCAA does.

I don't disagree at all. I just think it's pure economics, the P5 is goign to want more of the money from it.

Maybe what we see is more of a weighted thing where instead of each game being worth the exact same-
PIG and 2nd rd counts as 1 unit
3rd rd counts as 2 units(so a 3rd rd loser would get 3 units instead of the current 2)
sweet 16 counts as 3 units(so a sweet 16 loser would get 6 units instead of 3)
elite 8 counts as 4 units(so a elite 8 loser would get 10 units insetad of 4)
final 4 counts as 5 units(so a final 4 team would get 15 units instead of 5)

Each unit would be worth much less. Instead of 128 units there would be 232. Each unit would be worth instead of how it is now 250k about 138k. A final 4 team would make instead of 1.25 million about 2.07 million(multiplied by 6 years- from 7.5 million up to 12.4 million).

[Xudash]

At which point do you understand that if they screw this thing up, it will not be worth 740 million per year?

There is a balance between wanting more and screwing up the numerator. And please don't retort that there will still be enough money in the numerator with a lower number created in the denominator.

There isn't a president or athletic director alive at any school in this nation that wants to blow up the NCAA tournament as it currently exists. They don't want to do that today. They aren't going to want to do that in a couple of years. They aren't going to want to do that when the current television agreement runs it's course.

[stever20]

At which point do you understand that if they screw this thing up, it will not be worth 740 million per year?

There is a balance between wanting more and screwing up the numerator. And please don't retort that there will still be enough money in the numerator with a lower number created in the denominator.

There isn't a president or athletic director alive at any school in this nation that wants to blow up the NCAA tournament as it currently exists. They don't want to do that today. They aren't going to want to do that in a couple of years. They aren't going to want to do that when the current television agreement runs it's course.

I do understand that it wouldn't be worth 740 million per year.

I do think best case the P5 probably is going to force the money to go a lot more to them than it currently is.

[marquette]

At which point do you understand that if they screw this thing up, it will not be worth 740 million per year?

There is a balance between wanting more and screwing up the numerator. And please don't retort that there will still be enough money in the numerator with a lower number created in the denominator.

There isn't a president or athletic director alive at any school in this nation that wants to blow up the NCAA tournament as it currently exists. They don't want to do that today. They aren't going to want to do that in a couple of years. They aren't going to want to do that when the current television agreement runs it's course.

I do understand that it wouldn't be worth 740 million per year.

I do think best case the P5 probably is going to force the money to go a lot more to them than it currently is.

The P5 are already pulling over half of the NCAA credits, while expending $0 towards rent, officiating, organizing, selecting, etc. I think they've got a pretty sweet thing going on.

[SJHooper]

People who are saying the P5 will split for more money don't understand that the current setup with cinderellas is what makes that huge money. Not only would they lose money by having their own tourney, they'd also lose viewers and it would be ruined forever.