This year's BET has officially killed any respectability

[Omaha1]

Can someone ban SJhooper, lavinwood and whatever other names he posts under finally?

[PMThor]

This entire thread is ridiculous. I'm saying this as a Xavier fan obviously, but I've watched every game in this tourney, and they have ALL been good games, with big crowds. It's a tough league, nothing has changed, and it's awesome and I'm glad we are part of it. Sour grapes SJU fan, sour grapes.

[cujaysfan]

they're under .500 in conf play since LC - so saying they've been mediocre is generous

i like st john's (and most of their fans actually) - i dislike lavinwood whatever his name is now

the original post is both myopic and disrespectful to the rest of the league

he gets what he deserves

[WestSideBomber]

Last year if Seton Hall/DePaul/Providence had pulled upsets in the BET all the pundits would've proclaimed the BE the deepest conference with the most competitive conference tournament in the history of college basketball. But this year? Nope. Nothing. Nova is overrated and the conference is terrible and blah blah blah. Get real. By most computer models the BE is the 4th best top-to-bottom conference in college basketball.

Also, I haven't been here long (being a Xavier fan and all), but SJU fans are really starting to rub me the wrong way.

[LeMoyne00]

I had a good time at the evening session tonight! Crowd was far more sparse than past years, but still a good time and I love the new wraparound scoreboard! Have no idea who I'm going to root for tomorrow though none of the teams I'm interested are really left, guess I'll have to just pull for Creighton and the POY.

[hailjesus]

You all are a sensitive bunch. The big east is fine. It isn't what it was, it probably never will be, but it's a good league, one of the best out there, and will be for years to come. Don't ever get illusions that the big east is close to the best league out there, but it is definitely a top 5-7 league year in year out. To expect more than that is the real problem.

[PMThor]

^^^Yeah right, 5-7? Come back to me when you have a clue new guy. The Big East is #4 this year, even with an infusion of new teams, losing solid teams and going to a new round robin schedule. I would be shocked, shocked if this league ever fell below #4 in the near future. But good try at trolling.

[XUFan09]

*Clicks on a thread, belatedly realizes that SJHooper started it, clicks out of thread*

[SJHooper]

Creighton fans, you are really in over your heads. You come in from years as a mid major, you bring 0 Final Four appearances, and you bring 10 less tourney appearances than the same SJ program you so readily attack. You want the credit without proving it first. Sorry, doesn't work that way. You got a team of superheros from 1 and 2 star players...wow congrats. That's a once in a lifetime thing. God I can't wait until after this season when the entire Creighton guys are gone. I will laugh every time you guys cry for Doug back. Creighton needs to be humbled the most and they were at points in the regular season already. Just imagine them without all their scorers. Say it with me guys, "New Butler!". I don't worry about Butler nearly as much because they actually proved they can not only make the tourney but make Elite 8's and Final Fours and even advance to the champ game. They get the benefit of the doubt. You don't. If it wasn't for our league you would be a nobody and you probably will be next year with a terrible team anyway. Stick to husking corn, not puffing your chest out before 1 full season in a real conference and nothing serious proven in your history.

By the way, I love how a Jays fan cursed me out, but no it's me who should be banned. LOL. I thought you guys should be relaxed in your cornfields out there...this thread started as a legitimate discussion and if we are being totally honest (even though it hurts), this BET has proven to people at least this year that we may not even be a shell of the old conference. We might be a morsel at best.

[Trifecta]

Wow…people saying to relax? I'm not going off the deep end. This is not foreign stuff I'm talking about. You can talk about upsets being good all you want, but it's like the AL East with the Yanks and Red Sox bowing out early. It's not the same. Respectability is lost. The next time some one is forced to defend the AL East it becomes much harder because they can say the 2 premier teams sucked. Same goes for the Big East. It is what it is, right or wrong the engine of this conference goes through SJ, G'Town, Nova, and Marquette. Creighton too if somehow they can keep finding 2 star players and convert them into Wooden players but the odds are not in favor of that.

Did a Creighton fan really just curse me out via a meme while another one asked if SJ could be replaced with SL? Are you kidding? Listen noob, this is your first year in major competition away from your little rickety MVC. You haven't earned your stripes yet here. Even if you make it to the Final Four which will be near impossible, next year you lose everyone. EVERYONE. It may shock your fan base because many of you don't seem to know what's on the horizon. You are like the new guy in a frat that thinks he's one of the boys already. An intern that tells his elders off. If it weren't for our conference you would still be a mid major being made fun of by fans who say you only face crappy MVC teams (like Wichita State fans are going through now). Most of the Creighton fans have been fun to have here and very classy but a few of you guys are disrespectful and have no idea where your place is as a noob. Imagine a SJ fan posting a "How about a big cup of shut the f--- up?" meme on a Nova or Creighton fan's post? Oh man it would be WWIII.

I'm not overreacting and I'm not even pissed specifically at SJ. I knew we'd probably lose. I'm angry at the WHOLE situation. The first few years set the stage and can set the expectations for what this conference is and how fans will take it. I know there are going to be years we are like the A-10 clicking on all cylinders, but I just hope to god they are far more numerous than years like this.

This is the stupidest thing I've heard. I feel sorry that great SJU fans have people like you to represent them on this board. This is year ONE of the conference and you're are ready to jump off the deep end? We'll be fine. I made the SLU comment tongue-in-cheek.

Secondly, the thing that bothers me with the vocal minority of SJU fans is your delusional view of reality. If the BE is like the AL East then Georgetown and Villanova are the Yankees/Red Sox, NOT SJU. SJU is the Orioles. Sure, you've done good things in the past but that doesn't mean people expect you to be "engine the conference goes through." Here's a dose of reality: nationally, SJU doesn't register on the same level as G'town, Nova, or Marquette. They don't...and I don't expect you to believe me. They may resonate in the northeast and , based on how a few SJU fans have told us all ad nauseum how much better New York is than the rest of the country, in New York itself. I may be just a dumb hick from Omaha and our rickety MVC conference, but I've lived and traveled all over the mid-west and the west coast. SJU doesn't have the brand equity you seem to think they do. Before this year, if you asked anyone outside the Northeast what comes to mind when you think Big East, here's what they'd say: Syracuse, Georgetown, Louisville, UConn, Villanova, Marquette. And I mean this in absolutely no disrespect to Seton Hall, but SJU carries the clout of Seton Hall nationally. You aren't thought of as standard-bearer of the conference.

As for being disrespectful...are you kidding me? You expected the fans of the 3 new teams to come in and kiss the ring and bow down to you because we are "noobs?" Get real-- Xavier, Creighton, and Butler can stand on their own merits and don't have to bow down to the new teams, as CU and XU have proven this year. The idea of having pay homage to St. John's of all schools? Look in the mirror if you want to see disrespect. You and Lavinwood have been nothing but condescending and disrespectful to the new teams. Anything good you've had to say about CU especially has been a backhanded compliment. Look at your comments above as an example.

And yes, you don't need to remind CU fans that we lose almost our entire starting line up. We are aware. I fully expect to be playing Wednesday night next year...but we're going to keep grinding and trying to get better and compete in this conference. We aren't going away. I suggest that you worry about yourself. Why should the bottom of the conference have to apologize for winning? Why play the games then? Here's a novel concept--teams want to get better and improve their position in the conference! They don't want to roll over for the "bluebloods" every year. If DePaul, SHU, and Butler improve then the conference improves. It's up to the usual suspects to get better and not lose.

The funniest thing out of this whole SJU bitch-fest is that Providence was the higher seed (and the better team) the entire year and you act like it was a huge upset. But I'm sure it was the refs fault or some sort of conspiracy that the mighty Red Storm and all their athletes lost to lowly Providence.