Other than Creighton what B East schools sell out?

[Bluejay]

I don't care about sell outs. Really low attendance and /or half full arenas though could be an issue.

Low attendance could make one wonder how much underlying interest there really is in a program (or programs) within their respective community. In other words, is it a sign that there aren't enough people that care? When we have discussions about lackluster TV ratings in other threads, I think the low attendance becomes a valid concern.

[notkirkcameron]

Marquette attendance for DePaul: 15,194
Marquette attendance for Seton Hall: 15,581

Which frankly, is damn impressive for two games in an off-year, over Christmas Break, against arguably the two weakest away draws in the conference.

[notkirkcameron]

again, no thumping of chests.... It was a serious question, no diff than the thread of which new team sinks to the bottom I am SURE that had a legit basis, it was just clouded with east coast bias....

What East Coast bias? The new teams are from Ohio, Indiana, and Nebraska. It's not like Siena or Wagner joined and everyone thought they were going to be world-beaters.

[JRoc]

I don't care about sell outs. Really low attendance and /or half full arenas though could be an issue.

Low attendance could make one wonder how much underlying interest there really is in a program (or programs) within their respective community. In other words, is it a sign that there aren't enough people that care? When we have discussions about lackluster TV ratings in other threads, I think the low attendance becomes a valid concern.

Very good point. stole this from the other thread about FS1 http://adage.com/article/special-report ... ds/291101/ numbers are not great but they are not bad either, Fox seems to be doing what is needed to keep the advertisers happy, that is huge. interesting piece.

[marquette]

I don't care about sell outs. Really low attendance and /or half full arenas though could be an issue.

Low attendance could make one wonder how much underlying interest there really is in a program (or programs) within their respective community. In other words, is it a sign that there aren't enough people that care? When we have discussions about lackluster TV ratings in other threads, I think the low attendance becomes a valid concern.

Very good point. stole this from the other thread about FS1 http://adage.com/article/special-report ... ds/291101/ numbers are not great but they are not bad either, Fox seems to be doing what is needed to keep the advertisers happy, that is huge. interesting piece.

I feel pretty optimistic, if FS1 can land some more major sports, that ratings and awareness will improve substantially. Thursday night football would be ideal as it gets 8 million viewers but really doesn't take much airtime away from us. Great awareness increaser. It wouldn't hurt if they could get closer to ESPN when the next channel lineup shuffling occurs.

I am also somewhat curious how much FS1 gets when they sell games. I believe that, including the BE tournament, they paid us just under $400,000/game. I wonder if they recoup a fair amount of that from selling off some of the games. Advertising dollars help keep the channel closer to the black as well, I would assume.

In regards to the post you quoted, low attendance is kind of a relative term. Every single one of our teams has higher attendance than the NCAA average. I know that includes schools like Chicago State that average 800/game, but it also includes absolute juggernauts like Syracuse and Kentucky who pull over 22,000/game (for reference, that's higher than any NBA team). When the stadiums are half empty that certainly doesn't help, but we are still doing fairly well overall.

[JRoc]

again, no thumping of chests.... It was a serious question, no diff than the thread of which new team sinks to the bottom I am SURE that had a legit basis, it was just clouded with east coast bias....

What East Coast bias? The new teams are from Ohio, Indiana, and Nebraska. It's not like Siena or Wagner joined and everyone thought they were going to be world-beaters.

you read that thread right???.... forget that its a flame as for who sinks.... it was a legit question, just stated completly wrong.... (and in my opinion due to an east coast view of the world but forget that too).... the New 3 are already ahead of a few C7s and are use to holding up more than their fair shair of their respective mid major conferences (in CUs case directly directly from Mid to Major, a couple years removed for the other 2), you wont have to worry about them not holding up their Portion of the B East. Again, in my humble opinion the bottom half of the "old guard" C7's will be benifiting the most from the New 3. Time will tell that tale, but as far as the N3 are concerned.... Don't worry about where we've been, celibrate where we're going. The B East basically skimmed the cream of the best Mid Majors and gave them the POTENTIAL recruiting power of a major. I love this conference, its the opportunity of a lifetime for all the New 3 and I am sure I speak for all 3 that we are glad and proud to be here. Great piece by a local writer but it caaptures the national attention of Mondays game http://www.omaha.com/article/20140121/B ... ss-country
things like this are good for the entire B East (save the sting of the one loss for Nova) but its very good for CU, honestly leading off Sports Center is a first for CU, being talked about on every national show the next day, a first again. trending on twitter, not often but close to a first. The B east needs this kind of exposure right now, we could use a few more ranked teams and fans in seats.

[XU85]

Of the CU road games I have watched and other B East games I watch, I would say not many. Somewhat concerning.

Why ask this question when you already know (or should already know) the answer? Seriously, you're clearly looking for more drama than my teenage daughters.

Most of us come the Holy Land in peace in search of great basketball.

[aughnanure]

In years past PC would sell out for senior night, notre dame, Louisville, UCONN, cuse, etc....so far this year the opener against BC was 11,100 and 11,026 against Creighton (with majority of students not back from break). They drew around 10 vs Gtown (again with no students) everything else has been 6500-8500 not counting tonight's 9pm blizzard game. Capacity is 12,500 I believe. If the program returns to winning and higher expectations as seems headed under Ed Cooley I'd expect to see the numbers rise, in the early 90s they averaged over 10k a game for the season.

The team that disappoints me most is Georgetown. For a so called major program they don't draw all that well, they play their games in that NBA arena which on tv seems usually half full at best. They drew a paltry 9k against rivAl Marquette last night. It's a down year but still. They could really use a smaller on campus arena.

I know when the johnnies are strong they can bang out MSG. I firmly believe if it weren't for Creighton's stellar attendance they may not have been added (simply because they are so far west).

But I agree attendance needs to be a bit stronger for most of he others outside Marquette and Creighton.

That being said, Georgetown suffers from some decidedly different problems from other BE schools. Georgetown is far and away the most prestigious academic institution in the conference and as such they are a truly national school. Their student body is 17,000 students, but is over half post-grads (I believe the law school alone is around 2,000 students). Post-grads are less likely to be interested in sports programs as they are focused on academics (and often root more strongly for their undergrad institution anyway). Georgetown graduates also get job offers from all over the country and can wind up in just about every major city. Marquette, for example, has a large portion of its alumni in the Milwaukee-Chicago corridor. Much easier to get to Milwaukee from Chicago for a game then it is to get to D.C. from L.A. or Dallas or Chicago. The arena is really far from campus too, which makes it even harder for students to get there. Marquette students can take a 15 minute stroll from school to the Bradley Center (25 if you are already drunk). Finally, Georgetown has to compete with any number of professional teams (Wizards, Capitals, Nationals, Redskins, D.C. United, even George Washington University this year). It's not easy to get attention if they aren't in the top 10.

Bollocks. Georgetown is not THAT far from the Verizon Center and DC has significantly better public transportation than Milwaukee. I think DC being such a transient city, where alums from all over the country come to work, makes some difference. But the student section has been getting pretty weak and their alums in the city don't come out as strong as they should or used to. I don't know what the problem is, but there isn't much passion in that building past few years.

[JRoc]

Of the CU road games I have watched and other B East games I watch, I would say not many. Somewhat concerning.

Why ask this question when you already know (or should already know) the answer? Seriously, you're clearly looking for more drama than my teenage daughters.

Most of us come the Holy Land in peace in search of great basketball.

[Westbrook36]

In an ideal world Villanova would have a 12-13K on campus arena, that's the perfect size for our school, something like the Cintas center. 6500 at the Pavilion is too small and Wells Fargo besides being downtown is generally 5K too big(unless a highly ranked Syracuse, Louisville, Georgetown, or UConn is in town). Unfortunately we have to deal with Radnor Township and geographical issues which makes this very, very, very, difficult.