Friarfan2 wrote:PC and SJU he the same curse:
They each hung onto coaches when it was clear they were incompetent. Really hurt them in the 2000's
And you ant bank on a good recruiting class as the answer. You need a good system, good upper classmen leadership, and a winning mentality. You need that good recruiting class to become upper classmen, and develop. It is rare for a good recruiting to just come in and turn it all around.
That's why I think seton hall is still going to stink next year.
The best example of a top 5 recruiting class at one of these schools turning it around is villanova in 2002. But they didn't make the tournament until those guys were juniors.
Friarfan2 wrote:Look at a school like michigan state.
It is not about a stellar recruiting class coming in and saving the day. That never really happens (unless it is a freakish class like kentucky had recently). It is more about having solid recruits and good upper classmen leadership who takes pressure off their immediate impact and helps give them room to develop.
This is why I think seton hall will struggle next year.
billyjack wrote:If PC continues its slide this year, it means that a minimum of 5 NCAA bids is a strong possibilty. We were solid ooc, so if (when?) Butler, Xavier, Marquette and/or St John's sweep us, those games will be considered as nice wins. I'm thinking bids will go to Villanova, Creighton and Georgetown. K-State's big win over Okla State helps the Hoyas. San Diego State's nice win vs Kansas helps Marquette and Creighton.
stever20 wrote:billyjack wrote:If PC continues its slide this year, it means that a minimum of 5 NCAA bids is a strong possibilty. We were solid ooc, so if (when?) Butler, Xavier, Marquette and/or St John's sweep us, those games will be considered as nice wins. I'm thinking bids will go to Villanova, Creighton and Georgetown. K-State's big win over Okla State helps the Hoyas. San Diego State's nice win vs Kansas helps Marquette and Creighton.
If PC goes 4-14 RPI would be 132. That would not be considered as a nice win by any stretch. 10-3 against 197 OOC SOS is hardly good.
stever20 wrote:billyjack wrote:If PC continues its slide this year, it means that a minimum of 5 NCAA bids is a strong possibilty. We were solid ooc, so if (when?) Butler, Xavier, Marquette and/or St John's sweep us, those games will be considered as nice wins. I'm thinking bids will go to Villanova, Creighton and Georgetown. K-State's big win over Okla State helps the Hoyas. San Diego State's nice win vs Kansas helps Marquette and Creighton.
If PC goes 4-14 RPI would be 132. That would not be considered as a nice win by any stretch. 10-3 against 197 OOC SOS is hardly good.
Bluejay wrote:stever20 wrote:billyjack wrote:If PC continues its slide this year, it means that a minimum of 5 NCAA bids is a strong possibilty. We were solid ooc, so if (when?) Butler, Xavier, Marquette and/or St John's sweep us, those games will be considered as nice wins. I'm thinking bids will go to Villanova, Creighton and Georgetown. K-State's big win over Okla State helps the Hoyas. San Diego State's nice win vs Kansas helps Marquette and Creighton.
If PC goes 4-14 RPI would be 132. That would not be considered as a nice win by any stretch. 10-3 against 197 OOC SOS is hardly good.
I think more important than "good wins" is separation between the tiers. If we have five teams that separate from the rest, it will make those teams look even better. If we have one or two teams at the top and then a bunch of teams all with the same records, it make the league look much more mediocre.
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