More Disappointing: Marquette or SJ?

[GumbyDamnit!]

There was one MU fan who was atrocious, but the bulk of the team's fans would go under 'highly positive' if you ask me. And that one guy seems to have vanished.

There was more than one Nova fan who vehemently backed their team and players this offseason and they're not being called out.

I recall a lot of Nova fans thinking that they would be better than 4th place in the league while most MU fans stated that they would be the clear favorite to win the league, and would never even consider finishing out of the top 3. At this point why would any Nova fan need to be "called out?". And is it a big surprise that the guy vanished with the way MU has played so far?

Me? If so I don't see the point in arguing that with Jameel Mckay transfering and Duane Wilson out of course MU's going to underperform (though they've underperformed beyond what losing those two should've done). Sorry for the confidence and calling people out when they hated on MU hope I didn't ruffle anyones feathers.

No you didn't ruffle feathers but you've been conveniently quiet now that many of your proclamations have turned out to be way off. I thought St Buzz could turn any glass of tap water into wine. So far it's just plain old tap water MUBoxer.

[MUBoxer]

I recall a lot of Nova fans thinking that they would be better than 4th place in the league while most MU fans stated that they would be the clear favorite to win the league, and would never even consider finishing out of the top 3. At this point why would any Nova fan need to be "called out?". And is it a big surprise that the guy vanished with the way MU has played so far?

Me? If so I don't see the point in arguing that with Jameel Mckay transfering and Duane Wilson out of course MU's going to underperform (though they've underperformed beyond what losing those two should've done). Sorry for the confidence and calling people out when they hated on MU hope I didn't ruffle anyones feathers.

No you didn't ruffle feathers but you've been conveniently quiet now that many of your proclamations have turned out to be way off. I thought St Buzz could turn any glass of tap water into wine. So far it's just plain old tap water MUBoxer.

Four things:

1. What a sad self esteem you must have that you're calling a person out on a message board months later twisting my proclamations of us finishing top 3 to me acting like MU was head and shoulders above everybody. In fact I vividly recall always saying GTown, MU and Nova are head and shoulders above everybody.

2. I bring up again the transfer of Jameel Mckay and Duane Wilson's injury. That's the loss of likely our starting point guard. With Duane Wilson there's an offensive threat at point with Derrick running point the scouting report is basically leave him open and double everybody else.

3. I'm in my 5th year of Physical Therapy school I don't have the time to sit on a message board all day and argue particularly when MU's not doing great. But if it'll make you feel better I'll happily make a new thread saying I was wrong etc.

4. Are you saying that you didn't get cocky after your success and it carried over to you looking a little sheepish during the 11-12 season? Because I'd be willing to bet a lot of money that I could scour the Nova message boards for a ton of Nova fans looking pretty stupid after their preseason predictions.

[MUBoxer]

But since my absence bothers you all so much. I'm extremely impressed by Nova and really hope for their success, really dispointed in depaul when this was a chance at a decent year. Providence, SJU and Seton Hall meh. Butler and Xavier it's great to see haven't seemed to fall off. Creighton is lights out from beyond the arc though I don't see them playing like the way they opened conference play with through every night.

[Lavinwood]

ivet: I totally agree…great post. Lavin is a great salesman. We should use him for his strengths. But he sucks at coaching and player development, so he should not be a head coach. Obviously it's in theory though because he would never take an assistant role…he'd just go be a head coach somewhere else.

This is very, very interesting. It's UCLA fans (referring to Lavin as "Lizard") in 2011 criticizing him…just reading this, it could have been written today. It's so accurate and so spot-on that it's almost scary. It's like they told the future with when he came to SJ. Looks like this is just how Lavin is.

Lizard’s players NEVER got better — because he could not teach them. Reportedly, his practices were totally unorganized and undisciplined. He had great players who carried him. He could not pay them back by improving their skills.

At one point, Lizard had the team playing a “free form” offense — which basically meant that we played street ball, no plans, no structure, no purpose.

The lizard consistently refused to hire knowledgeable, high quality bench coaches — feeling threatened, he surrounded himself with people at his own level of “knowledge and ability”.

I had season tickets during his reign of error. I got so tired of hearing “work in progress” when there was none, and “we are turning the corner” when it was clear we were going in circles that I could vomit at the sound of his voice. (I don’t always follow Fox’s advice, but when the lizard was on the television broadcast team, I turned off the sound.)

But, by far the worst thing he did has already been mentioned. He took a very kind and generous man and used him as a shield. He exploited Coach for his own purposes and, for that, I will never forgive him."


Steve Lavin in a nutshell. I wish I could defend him from the UCLA fans, but boy did they nail it. Time for a new coach fellas.

[Westbrook36]

Four things:

1. What a sad self esteem you must have that you're calling a person out on a message board months later twisting my proclamations of us finishing top 3 to me acting like MU was head and shoulders above everybody. In fact I vividly recall always saying GTown, MU and Nova are head and shoulders above everybody.

2. I bring up again the transfer of Jameel Mckay and Duane Wilson's injury. That's the loss of likely our starting point guard. With Duane Wilson there's an offensive threat at point with Derrick running point the scouting report is basically leave him open and double everybody else.

3. I'm in my 5th year of Physical Therapy school I don't have the time to sit on a message board all day and argue particularly when MU's not doing great. But if it'll make you feel better I'll happily make a new thread saying I was wrong etc.

4. Are you saying that you didn't get cocky after your success and it carried over to you looking a little sheepish during the 11-12 season? Because I'd be willing to bet a lot of money that I could scour the Nova message boards for a ton of Nova fans looking pretty stupid after their preseason predictions.

[GumbyDamnit!]

Four things:

1. What a sad self esteem you must have that you're calling a person out on a message board months later twisting my proclamations of us finishing top 3 to me acting like MU was head and shoulders above everybody. In fact I vividly recall always saying GTown, MU and Nova are head and shoulders above everybody.

2. I bring up again the transfer of Jameel Mckay and Duane Wilson's injury. That's the loss of likely our starting point guard. With Duane Wilson there's an offensive threat at point with Derrick running point the scouting report is basically leave him open and double everybody else.

3. I'm in my 5th year of Physical Therapy school I don't have the time to sit on a message board all day and argue particularly when MU's not doing great. But if it'll make you feel better I'll happily make a new thread saying I was wrong etc.

4. Are you saying that you didn't get cocky after your success and it carried over to you looking a little sheepish during the 11-12 season? Because I'd be willing to bet a lot of money that I could scour the Nova message boards for a ton of Nova fans looking pretty stupid after their preseason predictions.

Good to have you pop in. Good luck with PT school. I hope MU can turn things around; they are a quali program and our conference is better with a good Marq. Mea culpa for the senseless barbs.

[HoosierPal]

According to the Indianapolis Star, IU transfer Luke Fischer is transferring to Marquette. Probably where he should have gone to initially. I'm not sure what his issues were at IU, but he said he just didn't feel comfortable.

He does need some time to develop physically so a year off will help him, but he should be a solid player a year or two down the road.

[aughnanure]

The Marquette fans were ridiculous this summer/fall. If anyone said, "hey, marquette lost their three best players, they might take a step back, just making the tournament would be a pretty good accomplishment," the marquette fans would go wild. They didn't grasp that concept and were hyping buzz williams up as a coach who would finish in the top 25 with any 12 given players, regardless of talent or experience.

They seem to have calmed down now, but they were unbearable this off season.

8 straight years of losing your best player and making the tournament will do that to ya. Every freaking year we were told the same thing about our team and losing our best player(s).

And of all years we actually had a legitimate frontcourt coming back, we could have never imagined the backcourt would be as unproductive as it has been this year. Whoops.

[Friarfan2]

Marquette didn't just lose their best player, they lost their three most productive players. That was a lot to make up for.

I thought marquette would be slightly better than they are, but I had them as a borderline bubble team entering the season.

[XUFan09]

Xavier has regularly lost their three productive players, usually including a couple stars, only to reload, so I sympathize with their expectations.