Re: What is the relationship between your school & the state
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Xudash wrote:cm5yz6 wrote:Xudash wrote:bringing up national championships from the Kennedy administration is ridiculous.
That is, as I already stated, my point. There hasn't been much recent national success by the two teams in the rivalry. I'm not trying to troll, just hoping we can keep our claims reasonable and saying Xavier-UC is a "top rate rivalry" with the likes of UNC-Duke, GTown-Syracuse, and UK-Louisville is unreasonable (they just haven't been there nationally like the the members of these rivalries). Once that is agreed upon, then the X-UC rivalry is no longer "top rate," it is, by definition, "second rate" (though that sounds harsh, its not meant that way, just in a rung below the top level).
So, prior to last year, do you have any clue of what Xavier accomplished in the prior ten years in the NCAA Tournament? Your statement about - at least Xavier in this case - not having much recent national success is idiotic.
If your standard for this is that "only schools that have made it to the F4 and/or won NC's" can be considered for the best rivalry discussion, then you truly are clueless. The RIVALRY topic is about just that: rivalries. It doesn't get much better than Army v. Navy in football, when it comes to rivalries. The tradition behind Harvard v. Yale is fueled by that rivalry. The topic here is about rivals.
I guess I could show you a number of national articles that show the X v. UC rivalry rated anywhere from a top ten status to no worse than in the top 20. As I noted before, this isn't about me expressing my opinion on this topic; I'm trying to point out to you that the national media look at it this way, which is to note that they aren't looking at it the same as you. So, though it's one article's list of the top 9: http://www.totalprosports.com/2012/02/10/9-best-rivalries-in-college-basketball-2012-edition/#7. Please note that this article has Xavier/UC ahead of one of your examples: Syracuse/Georgetown. It isn't my article. It isn't my opinion. I could look up other articles that have S/G ahead of X/UC, but both rated in close proximity to one another, which is to suggest that your "second rate" bucket is pretty lame as well.
If you aren't trolling, then consider getting your facts straight and reconsider your criteria. Xavier HAS HAD much recent national success. Teams with national championships aren't the only ones that are ALLOWED to have significant rivals and rivalries.
Xavier and UC couldn't be more different, institutionally speaking. They're 3.5 miles apart from one another. And they both reside in a college basketball crazy town. They go way back in terms of competing against one another.
If your criteria for being a top rate rivarly is focused on mutual dislike and good games (which isn't a bad set of criteria), then yeah I give you UC-Xavier is a top rate rivalry (which I even said that it should be in one of my first posts - something like "most hated" or something like that). But if that's your criteria then we need to add some low level conference, DIII, and NAIA rivalries to that top rate list. The difference in opinion here is I guess I would prefer a "top rated rivalry" to have it all dislike, good games, and teams winning national championships/reaching F4s. I can see where the national prominence may not be important to others to be "top rated," but to me, to be truly "top rate," the rivalry needs to have a significant impact on the national season.