adoraz wrote:muskienick wrote:adoraz wrote:If the ACC loses 6 members it could have a negative impact on the Big East. In addition to adding UConn, Cincy, and Memphis they may poach Nova, Georgetown, and less likely SJU (for MSG and an attempt to hold the ACC tournament there). Yes I know football drives the bus but they'd be losing their best basketball schools and I don't see 6 AAC candidates worthy of joining the ACC. It was rumored a few years ago Nova, Georgetown and SJU had interest from the ACC, and if the ACC lost 6 major basketball programs it could happen.
And yes I know there's plenty of reasons why this wouldn't happen but believe it would be a possibility.
Without the 6 conjectured loses from the ACC, the remaining nine schools would not have the same attraction for Nova, Georgetown and St. John's. Furthermore, those three would be exhibiting an extremely short memory in recreating the situation they (along with four other Basketball-centric schools) left just 3+years ago!
In addition, despite the current smarmy coaching situations at Louisville, I suspect the Cardinals would be "ripe" for the picking by the Big 12 if they ever decide to go to 12 (possibly along with BYU). Heck, even WITH Louisville, that depleted version of the ACC would only have two members (Syracuse and Louisville) who traditionally rank within the top tier of D-1 College Basketball. Nova, G-town and St. John's would do well to stay with 7 other schools that share mutual visions and whose basketball is easily on a par with the remaining members of the ravaged ACC.
Fair points, but all it'd take is Nova or Georgetown agreeing and the other schools would follow. Why would they follow with everything that happened 3 years ago? It's simple, $. ACC would pay a lot more than the current Big East contract. Basketball only schools wouldn't receive as much as the football schools, but ESPN could still pay multiple times what Fox is paying. By doing this ESPN would again blow up the Big East and this time Fox.
adoraz wrote:Gtmo- if the Big Ten becomes 20 teams then I'd think what's left of the ACC would try to approach that number. I'd think rather than dilute their brand by becoming AAC 2.0 with lower tier AAC teams they'd consider a few Big East teams. Adding a Georgetown doesn't add anything in terms of football but it also doesn't take anything away from the conference. It helps basketball.
Again I think all of this, including the original rumor, are very unlikely. I'm just saying if the ACC was interested in Nova, Georgetown and SJU a few years ago then an ACC half the size of the current would be too. ESPN would have an incentive also for killing off the current Big East. Anything to hurt Fox.
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Xudash wrote:adoraz wrote:Gtmo- if the Big Ten becomes 20 teams then I'd think what's left of the ACC would try to approach that number. I'd think rather than dilute their brand by becoming AAC 2.0 with lower tier AAC teams they'd consider a few Big East teams. Adding a Georgetown doesn't add anything in terms of football but it also doesn't take anything away from the conference. It helps basketball.
Again I think all of this, including the original rumor, are very unlikely. I'm just saying if the ACC was interested in Nova, Georgetown and SJU a few years ago then an ACC half the size of the current would be too. ESPN would have an incentive also for killing off the current Big East. Anything to hurt Fox.
adoraz, a few thoughts, and with no intent of being argumentative:
1. The leftover ACC schools approaching a 20 member conference following a post-B1G raid would only make sense if a TV partner sees value in doing that. Given the nature of what's left over at that point and what would be available to add at that point, chances are pretty good that the TV-supplied numerator wouldn't go around enough for the 20 that would populate the denominator; the per school payout scenario would be problematic.
2. The ACC being interested in Nova, Georgetown and SJU at one point - an "if" as you put it - was probably speculation at the time, but certainly has no credence now. These decisions are being made exclusively and entirely for reasons having to do with football. Realignment decisions from here will be even more severe and much more about football. A highly successful basketball-centric conference already exists. It's called the Big East. The ACC in any form, assuming it survives, will remain focused on solving for football and therefore all sports first and foremost.
3. ESPN can have whatever ESPN conjures up as an incentive for itself, but, in the meantime, it probably will now pay more attention to realigning its Income Statement. ESPN presently is in a hot financial mess from all indications. ESPN is in no position to kill off the Big East as it presently exists.
gtmoBlue wrote:If the rumor has any merit - and - should the B1G again raid the ACC (for 6 teams no less). Their main competition - the SEC and Big12, would have little choice but to join in and attempt to keep pace. The SEC and Big12 could each take 2 or take more. So the 3 competitor leagues could only take 8-10 OR they might take all 15. The rest of the div1 leagues only factor in "if" there are leftovers. It's a football thing and non-football five leagues can't play. The ACC takes a massive pay cut, at the precise moment a raid occurs. When the conference loses 50-60% (or more) of its' members, the tv/cable partner turns off the money spigot. The ACC becomes the AAC - poor.
If there were a few leftover teams, the BE could negotiate with any private school left out of the raid -whether it was a football weak sister (WF, BC) or middling team (S'cuse, Duke). None are football powerhouses, so they park their football wherever they can. In all likelihood there would be no leftovers. The ACC would be no more - caput, fini, magno.
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