Growing Gap in NCAA Payouts

[jbarajas0490]

Well I have accepted that this league will be a tier 2 conference now. I hope I'm proven wrong but the league has graduated or lost a lot of good players the past couple years and also a couple of elite coaches, and the next guy up has not performed to that level or they were not prepared. Who knows maybe things will get better but all doom and gloom for now.

Lol... Remember to mark your post as sarcasm, otherwise people might think you're serious.

Well I would say it was 50/50 sarcasm and disgust with the league. Anyways I was half asleep and really tired, might have gotten carried away. I like the way this new big east was formed and what it stands for would be nice to see it succeed like a p5 not just nova doing all the work and the league falling on its face when nova has an average year.

[Masterofreality20]

I'm concerned about what it means for the ACC when Buzz moves to Texas A&M. The optics are horrible for the ACC. It's a sign from Buzz that the he thinks the SEC has surpassed the ACC in stature. This borders on disaster for the ACC. Virginia Tech will sink to depths with the other dregs like Pitt, NC, The Irish, BC, etc.... just tough news for the ACC.

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[jbarajas0490]

Some good news for a change... gtown is in cole anthony's final 4 schools. Along with North Carolina, Notre Dame, and Oregon. He is also Greg anthony's son and is rated as the 4th best player on 24/7. I would put money on UNC (duh) or Oregon (deep pockets(nike)). But who knows, the 2019 class has mostly shunned Duke and Kentucky (somewhat).

[scoscox]

Some good news for a change... gtown is in cole anthony's final 4 schools. Along with North Carolina, Notre Dame, and Oregon. He is also Greg anthony's son and is rated as the 4th best player on 24/7. I would put money on UNC (duh) or Oregon (deep pockets(nike)). But who knows, the 2019 class has mostly shunned Duke and Kentucky (somewhat).

People are saying he’s basically a done deal to unc. Would be a huge get. I was browsing 247 and saw seton hall had crystal balls for two top 75 guys. That’d be huge. 2020 looks very promising for the big east with Torrence, tabor, and Odom already committed

[ArmyVet]

Some good news for a change... gtown is in cole anthony's final 4 schools. Along with North Carolina, Notre Dame, and Oregon. He is also Greg anthony's son and is rated as the 4th best player on 24/7. I would put money on UNC (duh) or Oregon (deep pockets(nike)). But who knows, the 2019 class has mostly shunned Duke and Kentucky (somewhat).

People are saying he’s basically a done deal to unc. Would be a huge get. I was browsing 247 and saw seton hall had crystal balls for two top 75 guys. That’d be huge. 2020 looks very promising for the big east with Torrence, tabor, and Odom already committed

Done deal to UNC. Official

[gtmoBlue]

Serious question, which P5 schools made a serious run at Willard?

A bit off-topic for this thread. Moving on ...

How much money do colleges make off the NCAA tournament every year? – SB Nation - March 30, 2018

With its 21 units in 2015, the ACC became the first conference to hit the $30 million mark for one tournament, pulling in a six-year payout cycle of nearly $33 million. Last year the ACC earned 25 units, besting the conference record set by the Big East in 2009 (24), which was the most since the NCAA started the basketball distribution fund in 1991.

How Much Money Each NCAA Tournament Team Earned for Their Conference - March 26, 2018

CONFERENCE – UNITS – TOTAL PAYOUT (through Elite Eight games)

ACC – 22 units - $ 36,036,000
Big 12 – 19 units - $ 31,122,000
SEC - 15 units - $ 24,570,000
Big East - 13 units - $ 21,294,000
Big Ten – 12 units - $ 19,656,000

AAC – 5 units - $ 8,190,000
Atlantic 10 – 5 units - $ 8,190,000
Missouri Valley – 5 units - $ 8,190,000
Mountain West - 4 units - $ 6,552,000
Pac-12 - 3 units - $ 4,914,000

NCAA Tournament Money: Big Ten Gets Most, SEC Sets Own High – Ralph D. Russo, Associated Press/The Washington Post – April 1, 2019

CONFERENCE – UNITS – TOTAL PAYOUT

Big Ten - 21 units - $ 35.5 million
ACC - 20 units - $ 33.8 million
SEC - 19 units - $ 32.1 million
Big 12 - 13 units - $ 22 million

Pac-12 - 7 units - $ 11.8 million
American Athletic Conference - 7 units - $11.8 million
Big East - 5 units - $ 8.5 million
West Coast Conference - 5 units - $ 8.5 million

The big TOTAL PAYOUT drop by the Big East in 2019 is indicative of the talent and experience that was lost from the Big East after a great 2018 season.

One ‘off year’ won’t damage the Big East, but if 2020 is not a big ‘rebound year’ in the NCAA Tournament for the Big East, it will hurt the finances and prestige of Big East basketball, which in turn, may adversely affect the Big East's TV ratings and recruiting. It's seriously time to step up to the plate.

Nice post Flyer.

TV money is set in stone for the next several years, until contract renewal time.
There are a couple other revenue streams that are flexible and can be maxed: Online BEDN streaming video and NCAA Tourney Units.
I have spoken about online in other threads and will not do so here.

Tourney Units are a flexible animal...based upon performance. Thus they are the most fluid of the revenue streams. Flyer hit the nail on the head in that we had an off year in tourney games. However, therein lies the issue. The BE as we now know it has underachieved, had "off years" over the entire last 6 years, Nova notwithstanding. Only Xavier has had a run past the sweet 16 amongst the "9 dwarfs". That is the problem.

The BE gets an avg of 5 bids a year but generally only Villanova earns multiple units. Individual teams get bids and individual teams earn units and we are Grossly underachieving in that department. If we are serious in wanting to "elevate" team and conference standing in the public eye, more than Villanova and an occasional Xavier MUST win some games in the dance. It is a disgrace and an eyesore that only 2 teams have made a sweet 16 or better in these 6 years. We are quick to note that tourney performance is the thing that the public remembers, but fail to capitalize on that mantra when given the opportunity to perform. This year was bad because no one of the 4 made the 2nd weekend. Chronic underperformance has been our lot.

If we earned a higher average of bids...say 7, it wouldn't help much since we don't win when we make the dance. 2 more units is nice, but without winning there is no multiplier effect.
Our fate and our public perception is in our own hands. Better tourney performance by our individual teams is a must and should be one of each teams' top priorities. It's not so much the units as it is the perceptions, although good Catholic schools ain't turning away free money. More wins by BE teams will counter any negative perceptions. If we continue the Big 1, little 9 trend we have no one to blame but ourselves.

[scoscox]

3 teams have made the sweet sixteen. Butler, Xavier, and Villanova.

The biggest things that have hurt the conference in the postseason:
Nova 2014 - 2 seed - second round loss
Nova 2015 - 1 seed - second round loss
Nova 2017 - 1 seed - second round loss
Xavier 2016 - 2 seed - second round loss
Xavier 2018 - 1 seed - second round loss
Creighton 2014 - 3 seed - second round loss

If half of these teams come even close to holding seed there would be no narrative of disappointment and our win-loss totals in the tournament would be more in line with the other power conferences

[Omaha1]

Our fate and our public perception is in our own hands. Better tourney performance by our individual teams is a must and should be one of each teams' top priorities. It's not so much the units as it is the perceptions, although good Catholic schools ain't turning away free money. More wins by BE teams will counter any negative perceptions. If we continue the Big 1, little 9 trend we have no one to blame but ourselves.

Gtmo- you invalidated your entire premise by not recalling that Butler advanced to the S16 (I thought it was E8, but whatever). Don’t preach about public perception of the league being based on the success in the ncaa tournament when you didn’t even remember that somewhat important fact about Butler.

[GumbyDamnit!]

3 teams have made the sweet sixteen. Butler, Xavier, and Villanova.

The biggest things that have hurt the conference in the postseason:
Nova 2014 - 2 seed - second round loss
Nova 2015 - 1 seed - second round loss
Nova 2017 - 1 seed - second round loss
Xavier 2016 - 2 seed - second round loss
Xavier 2018 - 1 seed - second round loss
Creighton 2014 - 3 seed - second round loss

If half of these teams come even close to holding seed there would be no narrative of disappointment and our win-loss totals in the tournament would be more in line with the other power conferences

I’m sorry but did you just submit your theory that if “these teams (had) come close to holding their seed, there would be no narrative of disappointment,” and then note 3 Nova teams and 2 X teams? First of all Nova and “tourney disappointment” can’t be uttered by any other fan base in the BE. Secondly, I think X has represented themselves just fine in the tourney as well. This thread should start and end with expecting someone not named Nova or X to make any kind of run in the tourney one of these years. With the talented programs that we’ve had I don’t think that expectation is too much to ask.

[scoscox]

It’s not so much a theory as much as it is a fact. I’m sure every nova fan would admit those years were a disappointment just like every Xavier fan admits those years for us were a disappointment. Just a fact. Those have been the most disappointing ncaa tournament results in the conference. Everyone else has basically played to seed.

That’s all I’m saying. That’s not to absolve Marquette, Georgetown, etc because they have been disappointments on a much larger scale, but it’s also true that if we could’ve avoided such early flameouts in even half of those years I don’t think he narrative exists atleast nearly as strongly. That’s not to say Xavier and nova have necessarily been disappointments or let down the conference either. Just missed opportunities