Villanova #1 on Monday?

[Noonzy]

Nova should be # 1-no question.

[Noonzy]

Nova should be # 1-no question.

[DudeAnon]

the milestones that matter won't start for another 5 weeks. The tourney is the only thing holding this conference back right now.

Why are online debates always all or nothing? Are NCAA tournament milestones important? Yes. Are regular season milestones important? Yes. AAC has won the national championship in 2 of last 4 years yet you can't find a single person saying they are a better conference than the Big East. Just enjoy both regular and ncaa portions of season!

[anXUfan]

the milestones that matter won't start for another 5 weeks. The tourney is the only thing holding this conference back right now.

Why are online debates always all or nothing? Are NCAA tournament milestones important? Yes. Are regular season milestones important? Yes. AAC has won the national championship in 2 of last 4 years yet you can't find a single person saying they are a better conference than the Big East. Just enjoy both regular and ncaa portions of season!

I agree that a #1 ranking for Villanova would be meaningful for the conference, especially if they can hold it for a couple weeks - and their schedule looks relatively favorable until they go to Xavier.

[stever20]

the milestones that matter won't start for another 5 weeks. The tourney is the only thing holding this conference back right now.

Why are online debates always all or nothing? Are NCAA tournament milestones important? Yes. Are regular season milestones important? Yes. AAC has won the national championship in 2 of last 4 years yet you can't find a single person saying they are a better conference than the Big East. Just enjoy both regular and ncaa portions of season!

AAC didn't win the national title 3 years ago. The Big East did with Louisville.

But the problem is folks here only want to compare to the AAC.

In the last 2 years. Big East with 1 sweet 16 bid and nothing past....
ACC just 2 years ago had 1 sweet 16 bid and nothing past. but then last year had not just champion, but then also 2 other teams make the elite 8. 4 teams sweet 16 or better.
B12 has struggled a lot. but still 2 years ago had 2 sweet 16 teams, and then last year had 2 sweet 16 teams. 4 teams sweet 16.
B10 2 years ago had FF team. but then also had 2 teams lose in the elite 8. last year had national finalist runner up but then also had another FF team. 5 teams sweet 16 or better.
P12 2 years ago had 2 elite 8 teams and a 3rd team made the sweet 16. last year had elite 8 team along with 2 more making sweet 16. 6 teams sweet 16 or better.
SEC 2 years ago had finalist runner up along with another team making the FF. Also sweet 16 team. last year had FF team. 4 teams sweet 16 or better

So of the 5 conferences that folks want to compare the Big East to- they make threads about how we are doing vs them in the regular season- in the playoffs they are smoking us.

Even if you want to say that the regular season is equal to the tournament- if you get a B in 50% of a class, and a D in 50% of a class, you only get a C grade for the entire class.

The Big East won't get full respect it deserves if and only until they perform in the post season. Until then, the word but will be used about the Big East pretty much all the time. What made the Big East so special in the 80's had nothing to do with the regular season. It's because the Big East kicked ass and took names in the tournament. Were the regular seasons good? Sure, but in the scope of things- all that did was set the stage for the tourney.

[adoraz]

Stever this topic is about a new Big East team being ranked #1 for the first time ever. It's a big deal. What you're discussing is something we all know, been beaten like a dead horse, is not relevant to this topic and simply trolling.

[Westbrook#36]

stever still managing the expectations of the BE I see. The BE is clearly stronger than the SEC and PAC-12, you're the only person in america who probably thinks differently. The only conferences stronger than the BE are the Big 12, Big 10, and ACC. Period end of story. People only mention the aaaaaac because you and other aaaaaac trolls continue to hype that conference up or bash the BE.

Classic stever aaaaaac thread jack trolling.

[NovaBall]

Stever derailing another thread

Nobody is saying that you don't want tournament success. But in the big picture you need regular season accolades as well.

Earl The Pearl Washington is one of those legendary names from big East lore. He never won more than one tournament game in a year during his career. His legend stems from regular season accolades. Under your theory he was worthless. But in the real world, guys like that were huge in the formation of the big east.

In my opinion, the best player in big east history was Donyell Mrashall. His crowning achievement was a win over a 10 seed to make a sweet 16. He never made a big tourney run. According to you, he was worthless.

Let's talk about your favorite conference. The flagship program, Cincy. Their best achievement according to most: 2002. Number 1 ranked team that season. They lost in the second round. People still give them respect for that year. They get more credibility for 2002 than they do for their fluke run to the final four a decade prior. John Chaney, 24 years at Temple, many ranked teams, many good seeds, and john Chaney only won multiple tournament games five times in those two and a half decades, never making a final four. John Chaney is a hall of famer because of his regular season success.


We need regular season credibility as much as we need post season success. We need them both. X

[ecasadoSBU]

Something tells me Nova my get snubbed tomorrow. I would be pissed if that happens. No way MD or IOWA you be jumping Villanova tomorrow

[stever20]

Stever derailing another thread

Nobody is saying that you don't want tournament success. But in the big picture you need regular season accolades as well.

Earl The Pearl Washington is one of those legendary names from big East lore. He never won more than one tournament game in a year during his career. His legend stems from regular season accolades. Under your theory he was worthless. But in the real world, guys like that were huge in the formation of the big east.

In my opinion, the best player in big east history was Donyell Mrashall. His crowning achievement was a win over a 10 seed to make a sweet 16. He never made a big tourney run. According to you, he was worthless.

Let's talk about your favorite conference. The flagship program, Cincy. Their best achievement according to most: 2002. Number 1 ranked team that season. They lost in the second round. People still give them respect for that year. They get more credibility for 2002 than they do for their fluke run to the final four a decade prior. John Chaney, 24 years at Temple, many ranked teams, many good seeds, and john Chaney only won multiple tournament games five times in those two and a half decades, never making a final four. John Chaney is a hall of famer because of his regular season success.


We need regular season credibility as much as we need post season success. We need them both. X

Your thing about Washington- he made a sweet 16. Kind of deceiving what you said because the tourney was a bit different there...

Also individual players different than a conference.

About Cincy. It was 2000 when they were #1. They get a pass that year for the tourney because their best player broke his leg in the conference tourney. So it wasn't the same team at all in the tourney.

Your final statement is right..... Right now for the Big East, the Regular season has been great 1st 3 years. The postseason has got to match that though.

And your final statement..... is spot on. The problem is folks here seem to want to focus a lot on the regular season but want to gloss over the post season stuff. First 3 years the regular season now has been great. The ONLY thing holding back the Big East is the post season....