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Re: Another Blow For St. John's

Postby Chalmers0 » Thu Nov 13, 2014 9:59 am

Bluejay wrote:I'm no fan of Lavin, but if this is an SAT issue, I don't blame Lavin for this one.


How can you not blame Lavin? It's his job to know whether a kid is going to qualify or not when he recruits him. There is ZERO chance Lavin didn't know what his SAT scores were, unless he is even more incompetent/lazy than I previously thought.
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Re: Another Blow For St. John's

Postby Chalmers0 » Thu Nov 13, 2014 1:00 pm

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Source close to the player says Adonis De La Rosa is now a full qualifier at St. John's. Waiting on confirmation from school.

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Re: Another Blow For St. John's

Postby NJRedman » Thu Nov 13, 2014 1:32 pm

SJHooper wrote:Well, sounding more and more like Briscoe is choosing UK now because Lavin "forgot" how to recruit for 2 years in a row. IMO losing him is the final nail in the coffin for Lavin. He skipped over 2014 and said he was working very hard on 2015 really focusing on our main target: Briscoe. He recruited him over 3 years while UK only offered a few months ago. Even if this team makes the tourney this year and exits early (anything less than sweet 16), it's too little too late. He cannot coach X and O's. Our offense has never had any real direction or clue. We rarely see any true player development. He seems to have more ineligibilities than commits, and after being called a great recruiter, he totally flopped on the '14 and '15 classes. 1 NCAA appearance (lost immediately) with another coach's players in 5 years is not going to cut it. I think Briscoe really, really wants to come here but is losing sleep thinking about who he would be playing with if he comes. He must know that he could start a domino effect of recruits coming after he does, but they would all be freshmen and the team likely wouldn't do great. Briscoe seems to be a 1 and done, so he wouldn't have time to wait for a few classes. That's why the '14 class was so important. Get some good recruits and have them be veterans by the time Briscoe comes. But Lavin flat out failed. Now it may cost him Briscoe. I don't think we make the tourney this year but if any other fans had any doubt that he should be fired, not making the tourney really would be the final nail in his coffin IMO. Lavin is a great person and means well, but he just sucks as a coach.

And NJRedman, you are again confused. It's funny to me that you think me and the other guy are the same person. You are just shocked that two SJ fans can be stone cold realists who don't act as yes men on Redmen.com and pray to the altar of Lavin. You can be a fan of a team and admit the realities of that team. It's not against the rules.


You're the same person because you're the only two idiots who keep bringing up Redmen.com. You're the only posters who constantly complain about that site. You both keep bringing it up when anyone who disagrees with you, they are automatically "One of those yes men from Redmen.com". You dismiss those that disagree with you are yes men, yet your opinions should be respected. Thats the height of hypocrisy.

No one is defending Lavin and saying he can't do wrong. We're saying let the man have a chance to succeed or fail before you automatically label him a failure. You and your boy Realfan (who are one and the same) have already made your mind up, but that doesn't mean it's fact and set in stone. So yes, constantly derailing threads with the same chit over and over and over again is trolling. Now you and your other handle go crawl under a rock since you already know the season is over and let us watch how it plays out okay?
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Re: Another Blow For St. John's

Postby stever20 » Thu Nov 13, 2014 1:40 pm

How long has Lavin been there? 4 years? Won 1st year with someone elses players. Outside of that, what really has he done? When best case is winning 20 games(no where near as meaningful as it used to be with all the extra games)- that's problematic.
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Re: Another Blow For St. John's

Postby BigEast1 » Thu Nov 13, 2014 4:33 pm

Lavin has only coached 3 full seasons at St. John's. He only coached a total of 4 games in 2012 b/c of cancer. Mike Dunlap coached the team that year & they had a losing record. They were very young and probably were not post season bound but you can't put the season on Lavin. You can put the players on him since he recruited them but the results that year were not b/c of his "coaching skills". 2013 they went to the NIT after their best player was suspended with like 7 or 8 games left in the season (while they were still a bubble team). I don't think the 2013, team even if Harrison isn't suspended, was going to make the NCAA so the NIT was probably the right outcome for them. Last year in my opinion was on Lavin. He had a deep & talented roster. People can say what they want about whether the players were overrated, but that team last year should have been in the NCAA. I am not putting myself out there as a Lavin hater or supporter, but you can't argue with the facts. In the 3 seasons he coached the whole year he's had a winning record, one NCAA, one NIT that was deserved & one NIT that was a major let down. I think the jury should still be out on him. This year is interesting, I don't think they are an NCAA tournament team, I could be wrong but that's my opinion. If they make it, great for St. John's, if not, I don't think it should surprise anyone.
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Re: Another Blow For St. John's

Postby MackNova » Thu Nov 13, 2014 7:31 pm

There's always some type of drama with the Johnnies...
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Re: Another Blow For St. John's

Postby REDMEN1415 » Thu Nov 13, 2014 8:58 pm

MackNova wrote:There's always some type of drama with the Johnnies...


Exactly, and I'm F'ing sick of this crap. We are a joke and it' puts me to shame being a sju fan. I just can't deal with it anymore.
I'm gone until Lavin is gone.

Peace.
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Re: Another Blow For St. John's

Postby NJRedman » Fri Nov 14, 2014 12:25 pm

REDMEN1415 wrote:
MackNova wrote:There's always some type of drama with the Johnnies...


Exactly, and I'm F'ing sick of this crap. We are a joke and it' puts me to shame being a sju fan. I just can't deal with it anymore.
I'm gone until Lavin is gone.

Peace.


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I'll take Lavins issues over the Roberts era and the end of Jarvis's post the NIT.
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Re: Another Blow For St. John's

Postby Realfan » Fri Nov 14, 2014 6:23 pm

NJRedman wrote:
SJHooper wrote:Well, sounding more and more like Briscoe is choosing UK now because Lavin "forgot" how to recruit for 2 years in a row. IMO losing him is the final nail in the coffin for Lavin. He skipped over 2014 and said he was working very hard on 2015 really focusing on our main target: Briscoe. He recruited him over 3 years while UK only offered a few months ago. Even if this team makes the tourney this year and exits early (anything less than sweet 16), it's too little too late. He cannot coach X and O's. Our offense has never had any real direction or clue. We rarely see any true player development. He seems to have more ineligibilities than commits, and after being called a great recruiter, he totally flopped on the '14 and '15 classes. 1 NCAA appearance (lost immediately) with another coach's players in 5 years is not going to cut it. I think Briscoe really, really wants to come here but is losing sleep thinking about who he would be playing with if he comes. He must know that he could start a domino effect of recruits coming after he does, but they would all be freshmen and the team likely wouldn't do great. Briscoe seems to be a 1 and done, so he wouldn't have time to wait for a few classes. That's why the '14 class was so important. Get some good recruits and have them be veterans by the time Briscoe comes. But Lavin flat out failed. Now it may cost him Briscoe. I don't think we make the tourney this year but if any other fans had any doubt that he should be fired, not making the tourney really would be the final nail in his coffin IMO. Lavin is a great person and means well, but he just sucks as a coach.

And NJRedman, you are again confused. It's funny to me that you think me and the other guy are the same person. You are just shocked that two SJ fans can be stone cold realists who don't act as yes men on Redmen.com and pray to the altar of Lavin. You can be a fan of a team and admit the realities of that team. It's not against the rules.


You're the same person because you're the only two idiots who keep bringing up Redmen.com. You're the only posters who constantly complain about that site. You both keep bringing it up when anyone who disagrees with you, they are automatically "One of those yes men from Redmen.com". You dismiss those that disagree with you are yes men, yet your opinions should be respected. Thats the height of hypocrisy.

No one is defending Lavin and saying he can't do wrong. We're saying let the man have a chance to succeed or fail before you automatically label him a failure. You and your boy Realfan (who are one and the same) have already made your mind up, but that doesn't mean it's fact and set in stone. So yes, constantly derailing threads with the same chit over and over and over again is trolling. Now you and your other handle go crawl under a rock since you already know the season is over and let us watch how it plays out okay?


Let the man have a chance to succeed? The program now is in far worse shape then when he arrived. He has failed at recruiting, failed in basic X and Os, failed in player development ( just ask Jakar who made a good move getting out as he public ally stated that he didn't feel he developed as a player in the current system, and man did he improve since), has had several players that he recruited deemed ineligible , failed to make the tourney with his own players and got embarrassed at his home court in last years NIT. Why don't you answer this question, aside from recommending some good restaurants, what has he done right. Oh wait, I forgot, that would take some brains on your part as you would rather call people names and put others down. You are a class A fraud.
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Re: Another Blow For St. John's

Postby NJRedman » Sat Nov 15, 2014 1:17 pm

Realfan wrote:
NJRedman wrote:
SJHooper wrote:Well, sounding more and more like Briscoe is choosing UK now because Lavin "forgot" how to recruit for 2 years in a row. IMO losing him is the final nail in the coffin for Lavin. He skipped over 2014 and said he was working very hard on 2015 really focusing on our main target: Briscoe. He recruited him over 3 years while UK only offered a few months ago. Even if this team makes the tourney this year and exits early (anything less than sweet 16), it's too little too late. He cannot coach X and O's. Our offense has never had any real direction or clue. We rarely see any true player development. He seems to have more ineligibilities than commits, and after being called a great recruiter, he totally flopped on the '14 and '15 classes. 1 NCAA appearance (lost immediately) with another coach's players in 5 years is not going to cut it. I think Briscoe really, really wants to come here but is losing sleep thinking about who he would be playing with if he comes. He must know that he could start a domino effect of recruits coming after he does, but they would all be freshmen and the team likely wouldn't do great. Briscoe seems to be a 1 and done, so he wouldn't have time to wait for a few classes. That's why the '14 class was so important. Get some good recruits and have them be veterans by the time Briscoe comes. But Lavin flat out failed. Now it may cost him Briscoe. I don't think we make the tourney this year but if any other fans had any doubt that he should be fired, not making the tourney really would be the final nail in his coffin IMO. Lavin is a great person and means well, but he just sucks as a coach.

And NJRedman, you are again confused. It's funny to me that you think me and the other guy are the same person. You are just shocked that two SJ fans can be stone cold realists who don't act as yes men on Redmen.com and pray to the altar of Lavin. You can be a fan of a team and admit the realities of that team. It's not against the rules.


You're the same person because you're the only two idiots who keep bringing up Redmen.com. You're the only posters who constantly complain about that site. You both keep bringing it up when anyone who disagrees with you, they are automatically "One of those yes men from Redmen.com". You dismiss those that disagree with you are yes men, yet your opinions should be respected. Thats the height of hypocrisy.

No one is defending Lavin and saying he can't do wrong. We're saying let the man have a chance to succeed or fail before you automatically label him a failure. You and your boy Realfan (who are one and the same) have already made your mind up, but that doesn't mean it's fact and set in stone. So yes, constantly derailing threads with the same chit over and over and over again is trolling. Now you and your other handle go crawl under a rock since you already know the season is over and let us watch how it plays out okay?


Let the man have a chance to succeed? The program now is in far worse shape then when he arrived. He has failed at recruiting, failed in basic X and Os, failed in player development ( just ask Jakar who made a good move getting out as he public ally stated that he didn't feel he developed as a player in the current system, and man did he improve since), has had several players that he recruited deemed ineligible , failed to make the tourney with his own players and got embarrassed at his home court in last years NIT. Why don't you answer this question, aside from recommending some good restaurants, what has he done right. Oh wait, I forgot, that would take some brains on your part as you would rather call people names and put others down. You are a class A fraud.


You're an idiot. The program is in worse shape than the Norm Roberts era? Yeah you have credibility. Sampson is playing in the NBA because Philly is tanking the season dummy. They run their club so bad that neither of their first round picks are playing for them this season.

Also, how am I a fraud? You're the fraud, claiming to be an actual SJU fan. I know all about you buddy. You've been banned from every SJU/Big East board you've posted on. That means you are nothing more than a grade A troll. You derail threads, you keep posting the same thing over and over and over again. You constantly bring up the same topic/subject and generally turn people off to this board. Why don't you go crawl back into whatever hole you crawled out of and let us all just enjoy this board without your presence.
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