BIG EAST v. F5

[FormulaX]

So basically... I think I got everyone...

Butler
North Carolina*
UCLA/Oklahoma*
WIsconsin/UAB/GTown/Florida
Northwestern
@Tennessee
Indiana**

*Battle 4 Atlantis (Bahamas)
**Crossroads Classic in Indianapolis

Creighton
Oklahoma
@Ole Miss
@Nebraska

DePaul
Stanford
@Oregon State
@Colorado

Georgetown
Florida*
Wisconsin/UAB*
Butler/North Carolina/Oklahoma/UCLA*
Kansas
Indiana**

*Battle 4 Atlantis (Bahamas)
**Madison Square Garden

Xavier
Alabama
@Missouri
@Auburn
@Cincinnati

Cincinnati probably should be in the P5 for football (not necessarily basketball) but they are not. Was your goal to list only P5 opponents? If so Cincinnati should not be listed.

Well you made this X fan smile. Thanks

[redmen9194]

I would go with the following:

1.) G'Town - Kansas, Wisconsin and Florida. Enough said.
2.) Quette - Wisconsin and Ohio State
3.) Butler - Battle 4 Atlantis jumps them up.
4.) Providence - outside of Kentucky, no real powerhouses, but they scheduled a lot of very decent teams.
5.) St. John's - Duke at the Garden and Cuse at the Dome.
6.) Nova - Cuse at home and Michigan.
7.) DePaul - Stanford and Colorado are decent gets.
8.) Xavier - knowing they also play Cincy was in my head.
9.) Creighton - Oklahoma is the only real standout.
10.) Seton Hall - Rutgers and Georgia just don't move the needle much.

[stever20]

I would go with the following:

1.) G'Town - Kansas, Wisconsin and Florida. Enough said.
2.) Quette - Wisconsin and Ohio State
3.) Butler - Battle 4 Atlantis jumps them up.
4.) Providence - outside of Kentucky, no real powerhouses, but they scheduled a lot of very decent teams.
5.) St. John's - Duke at the Garden and Cuse at the Dome.
6.) Nova - Cuse at home and Michigan.
7.) DePaul - Stanford and Colorado are decent gets.
8.) Xavier - knowing they also play Cincy was in my head.
9.) Creighton - Oklahoma is the only real standout.
10.) Seton Hall - Rutgers and Georgia just don't move the needle much.

I pump Nova ahead of St John's because they also have VCU. Though St John's could get a bump if they play Gonzaga. Ignoring VCU and Gonzaga is foolish.

Also a lot hinges on how tournaments go. Georgetown won't look as good if we lose to Florida 1st round and now instead of Wisconsin we see UAB 2nd round. Also- Marquette if they win 1st round vs Georgia Tech would see Michigan St 2nd round(and then either Tennessee or Kansas in the 3rd rd). I'd probably flip Marquette and Georgetown quite frankly.

I wouldn't have Butler ahead of PC, St John's or Nova. Likely Atlantis is UNC/Oklahoma/UAB. Compared to Cuse/Michigan/VCU for Nova(plus Temple) or Duke/Cuse/Gonzaga for St John's- not close.

And you see the problem we may face. Xavier and Seton Hall may be bubble type teams- and their OOC schedule is not going to help them. Even Creighton if they had a decent season not helped much.

[Westbrook#36]

I know this is a supposed BE vs. F5(or whatever) thread, but Nova fans are completely unapologetic about our OOC schedule, we play VCU, Michigan/Oregon, Illinois, Syracuse, the Big 5 games and Bucknell is an expensive bakery cupcake. That's 9 quality games right there, I'd put that up against anyone else OOC schedule from the BE.

[FlyJays]

Creighton has three solid F5 matchups:

vs. #19 Oklahoma
@ #21 Nebraska
vs. Ole Miss (picked 6th in the 14 member SEC).

Also a potential 2nd rd matchup vs.Cincinnati in the Emerald Coast Classic. Yes, I know they aren't F5. But still a good non-con game. Also add in two solid non-con games against Saint Mary's and Tulsa. Not a world-beating non conference schedule, but certainly decent.

[Amase2]

I would go with the following:

1.) G'Town - Kansas, Wisconsin and Florida. Enough said.
2.) Quette - Wisconsin and Ohio State
3.) Butler - Battle 4 Atlantis jumps them up.
4.) Providence - outside of Kentucky, no real powerhouses, but they scheduled a lot of very decent teams.
5.) St. John's - Duke at the Garden and Cuse at the Dome.
6.) Nova - Cuse at home and Michigan.
7.) DePaul - Stanford and Colorado are decent gets.
8.) Xavier - knowing they also play Cincy was in my head.
9.) Creighton - Oklahoma is the only real standout.
10.) Seton Hall - Rutgers and Georgia just don't move the needle much.

I pump Nova ahead of St John's because they also have VCU. Though St John's could get a bump if they play Gonzaga. Ignoring VCU and Gonzaga is foolish.

Agree that ignoring VCU and ZAGA doesnt make much sense but understand the point of the thread. The reason I dont agree with your point about swaping NOVA and sju is because SJU also plays Minnesota who is pre season top 25. So while NOVA plays cuse at home SJU plays them on the road. Then Duke > Michigan and ZAGA+Minn > VCU. Just my opinion

[PhillyPirate]

You didnt include the Paradise Jam for SHU which starts Nevada, then Clemson, and possible LSU in the finals. 2 more P5 or whatever you want to call them

[stever20]

I would go with the following:

1.) G'Town - Kansas, Wisconsin and Florida. Enough said.
2.) Quette - Wisconsin and Ohio State
3.) Butler - Battle 4 Atlantis jumps them up.
4.) Providence - outside of Kentucky, no real powerhouses, but they scheduled a lot of very decent teams.
5.) St. John's - Duke at the Garden and Cuse at the Dome.
6.) Nova - Cuse at home and Michigan.
7.) DePaul - Stanford and Colorado are decent gets.
8.) Xavier - knowing they also play Cincy was in my head.
9.) Creighton - Oklahoma is the only real standout.
10.) Seton Hall - Rutgers and Georgia just don't move the needle much.

I pump Nova ahead of St John's because they also have VCU. Though St John's could get a bump if they play Gonzaga. Ignoring VCU and Gonzaga is foolish.

Agree that ignoring VCU and ZAGA doesnt make much sense but understand the point of the thread. The reason I dont agree with your point about swaping NOVA and sju is because SJU also plays Minnesota who is pre season top 25. So while NOVA plays cuse at home SJU plays them on the road. Then Duke > Michigan and ZAGA+Minn > VCU. Just my opinion

I would look at the rest of the schedule- and with Temple, Illinois, etc. that's better than St John's- with their next best game being St Mary's. It's not even all that close quite frankly. Nova has like 7 real tough games, VCU, Michigan/Oregon, LaSalle, St Joe's, Temple, Illinois, Syracuse- and that doesn't even count Bucknell or Penn. 4 of those 7 tough games either road/neutral. St John's has Minnesota, Gonzaga(if they beat Minnesota), Syracuse, St Mary's, and Duke. only Syracuse road.

[Hall2012]

I would go with the following:

1.) G'Town - Kansas, Wisconsin and Florida. Enough said.
2.) Quette - Wisconsin and Ohio State
3.) Butler - Battle 4 Atlantis jumps them up.
4.) Providence - outside of Kentucky, no real powerhouses, but they scheduled a lot of very decent teams.
5.) St. John's - Duke at the Garden and Cuse at the Dome.
6.) Nova - Cuse at home and Michigan.
7.) DePaul - Stanford and Colorado are decent gets.
8.) Xavier - knowing they also play Cincy was in my head.
9.) Creighton - Oklahoma is the only real standout.
10.) Seton Hall - Rutgers and Georgia just don't move the needle much.

I pump Nova ahead of St John's because they also have VCU. Though St John's could get a bump if they play Gonzaga. Ignoring VCU and Gonzaga is foolish.

Also a lot hinges on how tournaments go. Georgetown won't look as good if we lose to Florida 1st round and now instead of Wisconsin we see UAB 2nd round. Also- Marquette if they win 1st round vs Georgia Tech would see Michigan St 2nd round(and then either Tennessee or Kansas in the 3rd rd). I'd probably flip Marquette and Georgetown quite frankly.

I wouldn't have Butler ahead of PC, St John's or Nova. Likely Atlantis is UNC/Oklahoma/UAB. Compared to Cuse/Michigan/VCU for Nova(plus Temple) or Duke/Cuse/Gonzaga for St John's- not close.

And you see the problem we may face. Xavier and Seton Hall may be bubble type teams- and their OOC schedule is not going to help them. Even Creighton if they had a decent season not helped much.

I don't know about Xavier, but don't completely discount SHU being able to make its non-conference schedule an asset. Guaranteed games against the P5 aren't impressive, but they play some pretty good mid-majors highlighted by the game at Wichita State (also Nevada and George Washington) and can possibly face Clemson and LSU or Illinois State in Paradise Jam.

[stever20]

I would go with the following:

1.) G'Town - Kansas, Wisconsin and Florida. Enough said.
2.) Quette - Wisconsin and Ohio State
3.) Butler - Battle 4 Atlantis jumps them up.
4.) Providence - outside of Kentucky, no real powerhouses, but they scheduled a lot of very decent teams.
5.) St. John's - Duke at the Garden and Cuse at the Dome.
6.) Nova - Cuse at home and Michigan.
7.) DePaul - Stanford and Colorado are decent gets.
8.) Xavier - knowing they also play Cincy was in my head.
9.) Creighton - Oklahoma is the only real standout.
10.) Seton Hall - Rutgers and Georgia just don't move the needle much.

I pump Nova ahead of St John's because they also have VCU. Though St John's could get a bump if they play Gonzaga. Ignoring VCU and Gonzaga is foolish.

Also a lot hinges on how tournaments go. Georgetown won't look as good if we lose to Florida 1st round and now instead of Wisconsin we see UAB 2nd round. Also- Marquette if they win 1st round vs Georgia Tech would see Michigan St 2nd round(and then either Tennessee or Kansas in the 3rd rd). I'd probably flip Marquette and Georgetown quite frankly.

I wouldn't have Butler ahead of PC, St John's or Nova. Likely Atlantis is UNC/Oklahoma/UAB. Compared to Cuse/Michigan/VCU for Nova(plus Temple) or Duke/Cuse/Gonzaga for St John's- not close.

And you see the problem we may face. Xavier and Seton Hall may be bubble type teams- and their OOC schedule is not going to help them. Even Creighton if they had a decent season not helped much.

I don't know about Xavier, but don't completely discount SHU being able to make its non-conference schedule an asset. Guaranteed games against the P5 aren't impressive, but they play some pretty good mid-majors highlighted by the game at Wichita State (also Nevada and George Washington) and can possibly face Clemson and LSU or Illinois State in Paradise Jam.

I see Wichita St of course being a big asset. The GW game is interesting. Georgia as well. What I see though is a group that Seton Hall won't get much credit if they go 11-1, but if they don't go 11-1, they would get dinged pretty good. Maybe 10-2 with losses to Wichita and GW won't hurt too much. Anything worse and it's not good.

Also like last year, I see the 1st round of the Paradise Jam as crucial. a loss to Nevada and likely any good SOS component from there is gone.