2013-2014 Big East Champions

[redmen9194]

Right. And it's not about who had the better year. It is who won the championship. Just about every sport has a championship tournament or event in which the that does not have the best record could loose and not be the champion. The Men's Basketball Champion for this season is Providence. They played their best basketball when it mattered most, and that's how championships are won.

[Vill]

Right. And it's not about who had the better year. It is who won the championship. Just about every sport has a championship tournament or event in which the that does not have the best record could loose and not be the champion. The Men's Basketball Champion for this season is Providence. They played their best basketball when it mattered most, and that's how championships are won.

Ugh. We're talking about 2 different things. I am specifically referring to the point system. I'm not into arguing the title of "champion". I'm glad PC won and got the bid if we couldn't. Using any other metric PC had a lesser year than Nova.

[TheHall]

Villanova was the regular season champion and top seed in the tourney. PC was the tournament champion. The question is "who had the better year"? If that's what is important then Nova should get more "points" than PC in this arbitrary scale.

PC was the Big East champion because at the end of the season they were the last team standing period. They then went & represented our conference in the NCAAT as the Big East Champion. I say that not as a PC fan but out of respect for the accomplishment. I agree it's an arbitrary scale but why are you trying to rewrite history & pump up Nova's unquestionably great regular season. The facts are when the games mattered most they underachieved big time in both post season tournaments. It does matters how a team finishes a season even more than how you played throughout a season, ask JT3.

[Vill]

While nova may have underperformed, we did win a game in the NCAA tournament and nearly beat the eventual national champion. PC got a good draw in MSG avoiding Nova and then won a close game vs Creighton before losing in the first game of NCAAT. Again, not sure PC was as amazing at the end as you claim. They won. I give them credit for that. I'd still take Nova's season every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

[TheHall]

While nova may have underperformed, we did win a game in the NCAA tournament and nearly beat the eventual national champion. PC got a good draw in MSG avoiding Nova and then won a close game vs Creighton before losing in the first game of NCAAT. Again, not sure PC was as amazing at the end as you claim. They won. I give them credit for that. I'd still take Nova's season every day of the week and twice on Sunday.

Interesting, not that it wasn't a fun season especially given the average expectations preason, but what's so great about beating Kansas in August and then go 1-2 in March as a #1 (BE) & #2 (NCAAT) seed? Villanova's better than that man, too much history to celebrate last season too much. Jay Wright is stealing money if that's the new standard in Philly...Ed Pickney just caught a spasm & Scottie Reynolds is rolling over in his grave somewhere after that comment

[Dew]

How does your bolded section have anything to do with your comment? He said nothing about a standard just that nova had a better year than Providence which they did.

[TheHall]

Basically I'm saying I'd take PC's good regular season with the injuries & suspensions & their March run over Nova's strong regular season & march flameout. Depends on your standard what reg season games mean & what the purpose of all the work a team puts in before & during the season really is for.

So Dew you're saying a solid regular season & a BE championship is worse than a very good regular season and a disappointing March? Maybe if VU made the sweet 16 I could agree. Seton Hall's season was made tolerable just by beating you guys in in the BET and it bought KW some time (fair or not) While the Hoyas have had excellent seasons & terrible post-season putting pressure on JT3.

Question I have is what coach Cooley or Wright do you really think is out there on the trail saying they are last season's BE champs....I bet it's not both of them.

[Dew]

Basically I'm saying I'd take PC's good regular season with the injuries & suspensions & their March run over Nova's strong regular season & march flameout. Depends on your standard what reg season games mean & what the purpose of all the work a team puts in before & during the season really is for.

So Dew you're saying a solid regular season & a BE championship is worse than a very good regular season and a disappointing March? Maybe if VU made the sweet 16 I could agree. Seton Hall's season was made tolerable just by beating you guys in in the BET and it bought KW some time (fair or not) While the Hoyas have had excellent seasons & terrible post-season putting pressure on JT3.

Question I have is what coach Cooley or Wright do you really think is out there on the trail saying they are last season's BE champs....I bet it's not both of them.

I will start by saying that I obviously wish we had done more damage in March. However, I would take a dominating 16–2 conference record, a top 10 ranking for the entire season, a MTE title with wins over Kansas and Iowa plus an NCAA tourney win over a Big East tourney title without a sniff of any of the other things I mentioned.

I love the big east tournament and I think winning it is awesome, but I wouldn't give away an entire season of accomplishments for that alone. It seems like that is what you are arguing for.

[TheHall]

Basically I'm saying I'd take PC's good regular season with the injuries & suspensions & their March run over Nova's strong regular season & march flameout. Depends on your standard what reg season games mean & what the purpose of all the work a team puts in before & during the season really is for.

So Dew you're saying a solid regular season & a BE championship is worse than a very good regular season and a disappointing March? Maybe if VU made the sweet 16 I could agree. Seton Hall's season was made tolerable just by beating you guys in in the BET and it bought KW some time (fair or not) While the Hoyas have had excellent seasons & terrible post-season putting pressure on JT3.

Question I have is what coach Cooley or Wright do you really think is out there on the trail saying they are last season's BE champs....I bet it's not both of them.

I will start by saying that I obviously wish we had done more damage in March. However, I would take a dominating 16–2 conference record, a top 10 ranking for the entire season, a MTE title with wins over Kansas and Iowa plus an NCAA tourney win over a Big East tourney title without a sniff of any of the other things I mentioned.

I love the big east tournament and I think winning it is awesome, but I wouldn't give away an entire season of accomplishments for that alone. It seems like that is what you are arguing for.

Really. So first you list every accomplishment you can think of from VU's regular season, then simply compare that to PC's BET championship. The straw man cometh.

I already said VU had a very good regular season especially given preseason expectations but I also said PC had a good season considering all they had to overcome, even before the BET. I didn't play your game, I judged both schools entire seasons and said I give PC's season the slight nod. You guys had 29 wins & they had 23, they were the 4 seed in the BET, it's not like they were a cinderella team. Going a combined 1-2 in the post-season is a huge disappointment for a top 10 team that November tourny's don't just wash away, whether you're cool with it or not. Coaches have gotten fired over to many seasons like that (Lavin). Let's see what you think next year if Nova has another season like this past one.

[BillikensWin]

I really, really hate the very existence of conference tournaments. The champion "should" be the one that wins the most regular season games. But every league in the country (save the Ivy) has a tournament, and that is who they recognize as their champion.

That said, regular season records don't matter. I've seen that firsthand how unimportant the regular season is.