St. John's / Duke rivalry continuing.

[flyerlax06]

Why not? Did we not just finish in third this season?

If we're going to get technical about it, you finished 5th. You had the 3rd best record in the conference but you finished 5th. Those are the facts. If you didn't start 0-5 maybe you would have finished 3rd but you did start 0-5. The team was very talented last year too and I think Jordan will be a very good player and was the key to the turnaround but until Lavin can prove that he can get the talent to play actual basketball from the start of the season, I wouldn't be pumping my chest and talking about not being worried that you will finish top 3 in the league. If I'm a SJU fan, I'm pretty damn worried with all the nonsense that has gone on this offseason. Obekpa refusing to go into a conference tournament game and then leaving and coming back would have me worried about what he will actually do this season on and off the court. I'd be shocked if they start 0-5 again but I wouldn't be shocked if they ended up anywhere from 3rd through 6th. That's the nature of this new league. The teams in the middle will beat each other to death. But to say you aren't worried and will finish top 3 may be a bit premature.

Hahaha do you know what technical means? Also I wasn't pumping my chest and saying I wasn't worried we would finish in the top 3. Someone said there was no way we could finish 3rd and I asked them if we didn't just finish 3rd, which we did. We had the same conference record as the other two teams. We finished in 3rd place, technically.

Sorry I had you confused with one of the other SJU posters who was the one that made the original statement. But I don't think Milloy said there was no way. He questioned the confidence that it would definitely happen I believe. Maybe I'm misreading everyone in this thread. You finished tied for 3rd but because of tiebreakers, you were the 5 seed in the BET. That's how I judge the season finish. Providence finished 4th as far as I'm concerned. You can get technical in both directions I suppose.

[NJRedman]

If we're going to get technical about it, you finished 5th. You had the 3rd best record in the conference but you finished 5th. Those are the facts. If you didn't start 0-5 maybe you would have finished 3rd but you did start 0-5. The team was very talented last year too and I think Jordan will be a very good player and was the key to the turnaround but until Lavin can prove that he can get the talent to play actual basketball from the start of the season, I wouldn't be pumping my chest and talking about not being worried that you will finish top 3 in the league. If I'm a SJU fan, I'm pretty damn worried with all the nonsense that has gone on this offseason. Obekpa refusing to go into a conference tournament game and then leaving and coming back would have me worried about what he will actually do this season on and off the court. I'd be shocked if they start 0-5 again but I wouldn't be shocked if they ended up anywhere from 3rd through 6th. That's the nature of this new league. The teams in the middle will beat each other to death. But to say you aren't worried and will finish top 3 may be a bit premature.

Hahaha do you know what technical means? Also I wasn't pumping my chest and saying I wasn't worried we would finish in the top 3. Someone said there was no way we could finish 3rd and I asked them if we didn't just finish 3rd, which we did. We had the same conference record as the other two teams. We finished in 3rd place, technically.

Sorry I had you confused with one of the other SJU posters who was the one that made the original statement. But I don't think Milloy said there was no way. He questioned the confidence that it would definitely happen I believe. Maybe I'm misreading everyone in this thread. You finished tied for 3rd but because of tiebreakers, you were the 5 seed in the BET. That's how I judge the season finish. Providence finished 4th as far as I'm concerned. You can get technical in both directions I suppose.

No, we finished in 3rd place. The seeding is just for the tournament. If two teams tie for first place they both get trophies, not just the team who gets the 1 seed. There is no other way to look at it. Technically St. Johns, Xavier and Providence all finished in 3rd place. None of them did any better in conference play than the others. They all won and lost the same amount of games. This is very cut and dry.

[flyerlax06]

No, we finished in 3rd place. The seeding is just for the tournament. If two teams tie for first place they both get trophies, not just the team who gets the 1 seed. There is no other way to look at it. Technically St. Johns, Xavier and Providence all finished in 3rd place. None of them did any better in conference play than the others. They all won and lost the same amount of games. This is very cut and dry.

No one is denying that they all finished with the same record and that it was the 3rd best. I just choose to look at the final result differently than you. We can agree to disagree.

[NJRedman]

No, we finished in 3rd place. The seeding is just for the tournament. If two teams tie for first place they both get trophies, not just the team who gets the 1 seed. There is no other way to look at it. Technically St. Johns, Xavier and Providence all finished in 3rd place. None of them did any better in conference play than the others. They all won and lost the same amount of games. This is very cut and dry.

No one is denying that they all finished with the same record and that it was the 3rd best. I just choose to look at the final result differently than you. We can agree to disagree.

It isn't open to interpretation though. According to the league St. John's finished third, you can look at it any way you'd like but we did. So why can't we finish in 3rd again this season? Why do people think that is a crazy idea?

[BillikensWin]

I've seen this argument go both ways.

Ties don't exist because of tournament seeding. Even though the teams have the same record, there is a procedure in place to determine who finishes where.

[NJRedman]

I've seen this argument go both ways.

Ties don't exist because of tournament seeding. Even though the teams have the same record, there is a procedure in place to determine who finishes where.

Except thats not how the conference sees it. Thats why the 2013 season three teams all got regular season champions trophies.

[flyerlax06]

I understand what you're saying but I CHOOSE to look at it by the seeding because I think tiebreakers do reflect something on how your season went against teams you tied with and the best teams in the conference. I think SJU has a lot of question marks coming off a season in which they were wildly inconsistent. I don't think anyone denies they have an extremely talented team (again) but I think this league is set up right now in such a way that teams 3-6 will beat each other to death so it wouldn't necessarily surprise me if SJU finishes anywhere from 3rd-6th. The margin between teams 3-6 is so thin right now. I wouldn't say I'm confident about the order in which any of those teams actually finishes, especially since we haven't seen the conference schedule and how the dates and travel will work out yet.

[hoyahooligan]

Anyone who looks at the standings with out taking into account the tie breakers is wrong. Yes I know technically it's a tie, but especially with a round robin schedule the ties are broken and the seeding of the tournament is how you finished in the conference. Georgetown won the BE regular season in 2013. I don't care if Louisville and Marquette got trophies too. Georgetown's is the only one that is legit. #1 Seed = regular season Champ. You can keep your technicalities. St. John's didn't finish tied for 3rd they finished where they finished. That's the way the real world works.

[BillikensWin]

Anyone who looks at the standings with out taking into account the tie breakers is wrong. Yes I know technically it's a tie, but especially with a round robin schedule the ties are broken and the seeding of the tournament is how you finished in the conference. Georgetown won the BE regular season in 2013. I don't care if Louisville and Marquette got trophies too. Georgetown's is the only one that is legit. #1 Seed = regular season Champ. You can keep your technicalities. St. John's didn't finish tied for 3rd they finished where they finished. That's the way the real world works.

I agree 100% with a Georgetown fan? Yes, yes I do. I realize that all 3 schools were given trophies, but only 1 held the top seed in the tournament.

[NJRedman]

You guys can look at it anyway you'd like but both myself AND the Big East look at it differently. If GTown was the 2 or 3 seed they would still be putting down Big East Champs 2012-2013 and are still displaying the trophy. All three teams had the same exact conference record, they all won and lost the same amount of conference games. One was not better than the others. Sorry if you want to look at it in a flawed light, but TECHNICALLY there are ties in conference standings. As far as the conference is concerned, three teams finished in third place and there was no fourth or fifth place team. Seeding is purely for the tournament.

One more time. THEY ALL HAD THE SAME RECORD!!!!!!!