Big East with 2nd most Top 100 recruits for 2014

[TheHall]

Whoa, Nellie!

Bringing in 14 quality recruits in a season to a 10 team league - or even 24 of the ESPN top 150 - doesn't leave the conference set for years to come. There's still going to be a need for more quality recruits annually.

Do you know the difference between quality recruiting and top 20-25 class recruiting? Butler & CU got 4 quality recruits between them this year yet neither school is ranked in the top 25 class rank because only one of those players is ranked as a top 100 player. I didn't say the BE doesn't need to continue quality recruiting but pretending we're going to get (or even need) half the league in the top 20-25 class rank year after year is a smoke screen. And btw why shouldn't a top 10-15 class make a good program set for the next 2-3 years?

[stever20]

Whoa, Nellie!

Bringing in 14 quality recruits in a season to a 10 team league - or even 24 of the ESPN top 150 - doesn't leave the conference set for years to come. There's still going to be a need for more quality recruits annually.

Do you know the difference between quality recruiting and top 20-25 class recruiting? Butler & CU got 4 quality recruits between them this year yet neither school is ranked in the top 25 class rank because only one of those players is ranked as a top 100 player. I didn't say the BE doesn't need to continue quality recruiting but pretending we're going to get (or even need) half the league in the top 20-25 class rank year after year is a smoke screen. And btw why shouldn't a top 10-15 class make a good program set for the next 2-3 years?

Of last years top 16 recruiting classes, 11 were in the top 25 again this season. Recruiting is an every year event.

Look at this about Seton Hall from ESPN recruiting....
Who they want: With the mission seemingly now accomplished with their 2014 class, Seton Hall is transitioning its focus to the class of 2015, where the Pirates will again try to make a splash by targeting the likes of local products including Isaiah Briscoe, Derrick Jones, Franklin Howard and Bryant Crawford. But their biggest need is likely to be up front with Moustapha Diagne and Jessie Govan being two of their top early targets.

Also, just looking at the rivals 150 right now, AAC already has 4 top 100 players. Do you really think it'd be good for us in November to have a possible headline that AAC out recruits the Big East? That wouldn't be good for us. Especially on the heels of this year's tournament.

[GumbyDamnit!]

Stever, so since Kentucky can land 5 of the top 10 kids in a recruiting year BE schools should be doing the same? I think you missed my point. The one way to build a program is through one and dones. The other is through upperclassman leadership and development. You point to UK still being alive this year as validation? I point to KU 2014 and UK 2013. Point is the BE doesn't have to follow that script necessarily to be successful.

Secondly Stever you are also talking out of both sides of your mouth. First you say that 2015 recruiting is critical and will really show where the BE is, and then say it doesn't really matter because HS recruiting rankings are not an exact science and can't be trusted. Which is it? You are so consumed with expecting the sky to fall that you are stuffing whatever you can into a box to support your argument.

Lastly you conveniently are quick to point out that the B1G has more players on that list as some sort of "gotcha" but don't explain how few the Big12, Pac12, AAC, & SEC have. God help us if the BE had as few as some of them at this point. You'd be yelling from the mountain tops as loud as you could.

[SJHooper]

I guess this is good news considering SJ has zero, yes zero recruits for 2014. I'm really hoping Lavin has something up his sleeve with all of our departures. With no new recruits, transfers, or JUCO's coming in before the start of next season, our ceiling is 17 wins and our bottom line may be bottom 3. If we ever make a tourney again I'll be sure to throw a huge party because I will never take a tourney berth for granted again.

[stever20]

Stever, so since Kentucky can land 5 of the top 10 kids in a recruiting year BE schools should be doing the same? I think you missed my point. The one way to build a program is through one and dones. The other is through upperclassman leadership and development. You point to UK still being alive this year as validation? I point to KU 2014 and UK 2013. Point is the BE doesn't have to follow that script necessarily to be successful.

Secondly Stever you are also talking out of both sides of your mouth. First you say that 2015 recruiting is critical and will really show where the BE is, and then say it doesn't really matter because HS recruiting rankings are not an exact science and can't be trusted. Which is it? You are so consumed with expecting the sky to fall that you are stuffing whatever you can into a box to support your argument.

Lastly you conveniently are quick to point out that the B1G has more players on that list as some sort of "gotcha" but don't explain how few the Big12, Pac12, AAC, & SEC have. God help us if the BE had as few as some of them at this point. You'd be yelling from the mountain tops as loud as you could.

One and dones- how many of the top teams recently have had at least 1-2 one and dones. I could just as easily point to Nova this year and say that's validation that upperclassman leadership and development doesn't work It's a different era that we're in now.

actually
SEC 3
P12 3
ACC 5
AAC 4
B10 6
BE 4
MWC 2

BE is in there yes right now. Let's see how it shakes out.. One thing only like 11 of the top 60 picked so far- with only 5 of the top 35. A lot of those haven't been going Big East recently for whatever reasons.

My point on the recruiting ratings. We could have only 4 top 150 recruits- and from a basketball perspective it not be the end of the world. I mean, was McDermott a top 150? No. Or we could have 20 top 150's and from a basketball perspective, it's not a guarantee of success. I mean you look at the 2010 top 150 list and just shake your head at some of the players listed or not listed.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecru ... ls150/2010

However, from a perception standpoint, it is VERY huge. If we have the fewest of the top 7, what would be said, especially coming off of 2014.

[TheHall]

Whoa, Nellie!

Bringing in 14 quality recruits in a season to a 10 team league - or even 24 of the ESPN top 150 - doesn't leave the conference set for years to come. There's still going to be a need for more quality recruits annually.

Do you know the difference between quality recruiting and top 20-25 class recruiting? Butler & CU got 4 quality recruits between them this year yet neither school is ranked in the top 25 class rank because only one of those players is ranked as a top 100 player. I didn't say the BE doesn't need to continue quality recruiting but pretending we're going to get (or even need) half the league in the top 20-25 class rank year after year is a smoke screen. And btw why shouldn't a top 10-15 class make a good program set for the next 2-3 years?

Of last years top 16 recruiting classes, 11 were in the top 25 again this season. Recruiting is an every year event.

Look at this about Seton Hall from ESPN recruiting....
Who they want: With the mission seemingly now accomplished with their 2014 class, Seton Hall is transitioning its focus to the class of 2015, where the Pirates will again try to make a splash by targeting the likes of local products including Isaiah Briscoe, Derrick Jones, Franklin Howard and Bryant Crawford. But their biggest need is likely to be up front with Moustapha Diagne and Jessie Govan being two of their top early targets.

Also, just looking at the rivals 150 right now, AAC already has 4 top 100 players. Do you really think it'd be good for us in November to have a possible headline that AAC out recruits the Big East? That wouldn't be good for us. Especially on the heels of this year's tournament.

Well said, but again recruiting is still the first step and that also doesn't mean you need Top 25 class or top 100 players every year to WIN. Player development of talented recruits has been the formula for the BE over the years, not simply highly ranked talent infusion like Kentucky. To me that's marketing for coaches and/or programs that aren't getting it done on the court (Willard/SHU). Creighton, Wichita st & Virginia are current examples of teams that have held a solid core together an has gotten a few good runs out of them. If your program constantly needs top 100 players then what does that say about the players you already have.

Take your team GU for example. As much as I love Peak & the rest of the recruits, I don't think anyone of them will play better than DSR next year. Even though 3 of your recruits are ranked higher than he was coming out of hs, his development will be more important than the freshmen IMO. If Seton Hall gets a couple of key contributors next year like a Brian Oliver or Patrick Auda etc I'll be happy, not disappointed because we didn't get another McD's AA (I'll gladly take 1 or 2 tho).

[ChestRockwell85]

I guess this is good news considering SJ has zero, yes zero recruits for 2014. I'm really hoping Lavin has something up his sleeve with all of our departures. With no new recruits, transfers, or JUCO's coming in before the start of next season, our ceiling is 17 wins and our bottom line may be bottom 3. If we ever make a tourney again I'll be sure to throw a huge party because I will never take a tourney berth for granted again.

Love it! Typical SJU still relying on the JUCOs. What a wonderful history there. Let's not forget the Prop 48s. You guys lose what now? 5 players after Hooper and Sampson decide to leave as well? And Lavin doesn't have 1 guy coming in for 2014, while many programs not only have guys committed for 2014, but for 2015 as well.

Really a bang up job! Totally underachieving on the court as well as the recruiting trail. Maybe you guys will find another 25 year old who has to miss games to deliver his children like last year.

[SJHooper]

I guess this is good news considering SJ has zero, yes zero recruits for 2014. I'm really hoping Lavin has something up his sleeve with all of our departures. With no new recruits, transfers, or JUCO's coming in before the start of next season, our ceiling is 17 wins and our bottom line may be bottom 3. If we ever make a tourney again I'll be sure to throw a huge party because I will never take a tourney berth for granted again.

Love it! Typical SJU still relying on the JUCOs. What a wonderful history there. Let's not forget the Prop 48s. You guys lose what now? 5 players after Hooper and Sampson decide to leave as well? And Lavin doesn't have 1 guy coming in for 2014, while many programs not only have guys committed for 2014, but for 2015 as well.

Really a bang up job! Totally underachieving on the court as well as the recruiting trail. Maybe you guys will find another 25 year old who has to miss games to deliver his children like last year.

After the departures of Gift, Sanchez, Sampson, and Hooper we basically lost all our depth and our entire frontcourt. We have a good backcourt in Harrison, Jordan, Branch, Greene, but the only guys we will have in the front court are Obekpa and Christian Jones who was barely even recruited and sucked when he was given a look. I expect nothing from Jones. So essentially we have 1 frontcourt player and Obekpa only knows how to block shots. He's only average at rebounding...nothing special. We need our version of a DeRosiers or Stainbrook in the WORST way. And 1-2 more pure shooters who can at least do an average job defending i.e. Jon Severe (who I begged to come here but the staff ignored him while he was raining 3's for Fordham).

One thing I've learned in Lavin's tenure is never to count him out because he's a master of last second deals, but as each year goes on our patience with him wears thin and as of recently his recruiting ability seems to have taken a big hit. Somehow he has us in a position to be right where we started...after next year we lose basically everyone and will need to rely on freshmen again which guarantees another year not making the tourney. So basically if we decide to keep Lav, you can rest assured there is no way SJ makes the tourney for the next 2 years at the minimum. I would have fired him after this failure of a season with all that talent. But something tells me he's here long-term because our AD has no clue and seems to accept NIT berths as being evidence of a good job done.

[Bill Marsh]

Whoa, Nellie!

Bringing in 14 quality recruits in a season to a 10 team league - or even 24 of the ESPN top 150 - doesn't leave the conference set for years to come. There's still going to be a need for more quality recruits annually.

Do you know the difference between quality recruiting and top 20-25 class recruiting? Butler & CU got 4 quality recruits between them this year yet neither school is ranked in the top 25 class rank because only one of those players is ranked as a top 100 player. I didn't say the BE doesn't need to continue quality recruiting but pretending we're going to get (or even need) half the league in the top 20-25 class rank year after year is a smoke screen. And btw why shouldn't a top 10-15 class make a good program set for the next 2-3 years?

No.

[BEhomer]

I think the most important factor in recruiting is the coach. we still have JTIII, JW, and Lavin who all have brought in top talents in the past. I see no reason why they would not have similar success. throw in cooley who's had consecutive top recruiting classes. plus they are all in their coaching prime in terms of age. I really think the league is in good shape.