AAC got four in- SMU out

[stever20]

You know how we give Seton Hall such a tough time for messing with us.....

but how about Houston. Them beating SMU in the tourney cost SMU a spot, and also probably cost Louisville a 3 seed(think they likely get a 3 if they beat SMU instead of Houston).

[XUFan09]

You know how we give Seton Hall such a tough time for messing with us.....

but how about Houston. Them beating SMU in the tourney cost SMU a spot, and also probably cost Louisville a 3 seed(think they likely get a 3 if they beat SMU instead of Houston).

Very true.

[Bill Marsh]

You know how we give Seton Hall such a tough time for messing with us.....

but how about Houston. Them beating SMU in the tourney cost SMU a spot, and also probably cost Louisville a 3 seed(think they likely get a 3 if they beat SMU instead of Houston).

You nailed that, Steve. It was devastating for them.

[Bill Marsh]

Louisville and SMU played shit non-conference schedules. That was the first thing Wellman said about them.

And playing a strong OOC schedule was necessary because the in conference schedule was also shitty.

It just made it more necessary than it already was. It's not that their non-conference schedules were bad, it's that they were awful relative to the seeding/selection they were going for. SMU's schedule was 295 when they were trying to get a bid. Louisville's schedules was 149 when they were trying to get a 2 or 3 seed.

True, for sure.

Just noting that Syracuse also had an OOC schedule over 100 and got a 3-seed because their conference SOS was so strong that OOC didn't hurt them.

Amazing that Louisville is a 4-seed! Right now I have them meeting UCLA in the finals, another 4 seed with an OOC SOS over 100.

[XUFan09]

Yeah, Syracuse definitely benefited from finishing with a 14-4 record in a better conference, but they also beat multiple teams in the non-conference schedule:

#50 Minnesota (Neutral)
#63 California (Neutral)
#30 Baylor (Neutral)
@#67 St. John's (Equivalent of a borderline top 25 win on a neutral court)
#5 Villanova (equivalent of a lower-level top 25 win on a neutral court)

That level of opponents is also why their non-conference SOS was much better than Louisville's, 108 vs. 149. Louisville only beat #33 Southern Miss at home, which barely registers at a top 75 win on a neutral court. They did play vs. #25 North Carlina on a neutral court and @ #17 Kentucky, but they lost both times. Syracuse scheduled significantly better than Louisville in the non-conference, and then they went and beat those teams, which Louisville failed to do.

[Bill Marsh]

Yeah, Syracuse definitely benefited from finishing with a 14-4 record in a better conference, but they also beat multiple teams in the non-conference schedule:

#50 Minnesota (Neutral)
#63 California (Neutral)
#30 Baylor (Neutral)
@#67 St. John's (Equivalent of a borderline top 25 win on a neutral court)
#5 Villanova (equivalent of a lower-level top 25 win on a neutral court)

That level of opponents is also why their non-conference SOS was much better than Louisville's, 108 vs. 149. Louisville only beat #33 Southern Miss at home, which barely registers at a top 75 win on a neutral court. They did play vs. #25 North Carlina on a neutral court and @ #17 Kentucky, but they lost both times. Syracuse scheduled significantly better than Louisville in the non-conference, and then they went and beat those teams, which Louisville failed to do.

Not saying that Syracuse didn't play a better schedule, but take Louisville out of the conversation and just compare Syracuse's schedule to the other teams contending for the top seeds. No comparison.

[XUFan09]

Yeah, of the 2 and 3 seeds, Syracuse definitely had the worst non-con schedules, with a couple teams 20 spots ahead of them and the rest well ahead. Of the 4 seeds, though, only Michigan State had a better non-con SOS (also about 20 spots ahead), UCLA was practically equal, San Diego State had a worse schedule, and Louisville had a much worse schedule. Syracuse also had four fewer losses than MSU and UCLA.

[Jet915]

You know how we give Seton Hall such a tough time for messing with us.....

but how about Houston. Them beating SMU in the tourney cost SMU a spot, and also probably cost Louisville a 3 seed(think they likely get a 3 if they beat SMU instead of Houston).

You nailed that, Steve. It was devastating for them.

I think they both were equally devastating, SHU beating Georgetown twice knocked them out and beating X twice nearly knocked them out as well.