Tue 3/4, #13 Creighton (13-3) at Georgetown (7-9), 7pm FS1.

[Randy]

Still waiting for the "McDermott gets the star treatment" comments...

G'town-11 fouls; Jays-18 fouls

Reminds me of the game at Marquette ('Quette-22 fouls; Jays-30 fouls)

Homer and Townie called a great game. That Hopkins only had two fouls says it all. He pulled McDermott down from behind/over the back and was rewarded with a held ball call, and on the other end, he shoulder chucked McDermott (who had position and didn't move) twice, knocking him backward before going over/through him to shoot and it's a defensive foul. He had three offensive rebounds, and two of them he knocked the Jays player toward the baseline as he went over the top. Simply amazing.

Yes, Manigat can't buy a shot right now and Gibbs seems willing to make passes/turnovers that he didn't the past three seasons, but wow. The Jays had guys step up earlier in the season who aren't now (Artino, Dingman, Brooks), and that hurts. Even if the game had been called anywhere near decent, we got outhustled and I'm not sure we would have won. Certainly the Jays have many things to work on to improve their ability to win games, and I'm sure the coaching staff is moving the team in that direction, but again wow.

G'town played aggressively all night, and they were rewarded for it by the refs. No two ways about it. Sour grapes? Position is supposed to mean something. When guys can get offensive rebounds by crashing in from behind the defender who has inside position, it becomes a competition for size and muscle, and it is not basketball. Creighton cuts it to five and Gibbs gets a lame body foul at the free throw line after the Hoya guards bodied up our perimeter players all night without calls was a joke.

Creighton complains about the refs after every single game. It is actually becoming comical.

McD, while a great player, flops everytime he hits the post. Literally all other 9 teams have realized this. This debate is 9 against 1.

[FlyJays]

Jays fan here.

While there are certainly a handful of Creighton fans that LOVE to complain about the refs, I think you'll find that the majority of our fan base rarely uses that as an excuse.

The refs were fine yesterday - they had no effect whatsoever on the outcome of the game. McDermott was cold; he got frustrated and you could see it in his mannerisms. Manigat couldn't hit anything. Luckily, Chatman and Brooks played solid games which allowed us to keep it close. The bottom line is that Creighton, for the 2nd game in a row, missed a lot of shots they normally make, and played sub-par defense. Those issues need to be corrected quickly if we want this season to end on a positive note.

If we hit our shots, we can make the Final Four.
If we are cold, we could lose our first game in the dance.

That's the reality of our team right now. Props to Georgetown for playing a great game. I hope, for the league's sake, you guys can beat Nova and punch a ticket to the dance. Good luck!

[mel ott]

[quote="Randy...



Creighton complains about the refs after every single game. It is actually becoming comical.

McD, while a great player, flops everytime he hits the post. Literally all other 9 teams have realized this. This debate is 9 against 1.[/quote]

Nice generalization Randy. Why don't you just address it to the guy who made the comments.

[WaitingPatiently]

One observation I've made down the stretch of the season. When Doug plays tough in the beginning of the game and fights through all contact, he gets "star treatment" in the second half (see @Marquette). When he flops and flails early overexaggerating the slightest of bumps, he gets far less/nothing that game. Last night a couple early 'sell jobs' probably resulted in far more physicality because he lost the benefit of any doubt. He's no Marcus Smart or Tyler Hansborough with the flopping and flailing, but he has moments they'd appreciate. He needs to play tough all the time and not look to the refs when they're letting it go.

[sciencejay]

Still waiting for the "McDermott gets the star treatment" comments...

G'town-11 fouls; Jays-18 fouls

Reminds me of the game at Marquette ('Quette-22 fouls; Jays-30 fouls)

Homer and Townie called a great game. That Hopkins only had two fouls says it all. He pulled McDermott down from behind/over the back and was rewarded with a held ball call, and on the other end, he shoulder chucked McDermott (who had position and didn't move) twice, knocking him backward before going over/through him to shoot and it's a defensive foul. He had three offensive rebounds, and two of them he knocked the Jays player toward the baseline as he went over the top. Simply amazing.

Yes, Manigat can't buy a shot right now and Gibbs seems willing to make passes/turnovers that he didn't the past three seasons, but wow. The Jays had guys step up earlier in the season who aren't now (Artino, Dingman, Brooks), and that hurts. Even if the game had been called anywhere near decent, we got outhustled and I'm not sure we would have won. Certainly the Jays have many things to work on to improve their ability to win games, and I'm sure the coaching staff is moving the team in that direction, but again wow.

G'town played aggressively all night, and they were rewarded for it by the refs. No two ways about it. Sour grapes? Position is supposed to mean something. When guys can get offensive rebounds by crashing in from behind the defender who has inside position, it becomes a competition for size and muscle, and it is not basketball. Creighton cuts it to five and Gibbs gets a lame body foul at the free throw line after the Hoya guards bodied up our perimeter players all night without calls was a joke.

Creighton complains about the refs after every single game. It is actually becoming comical.

McD, while a great player, flops everytime he hits the post. Literally all other 9 teams have realized this. This debate is 9 against 1.

Very compelling argument, Randy. Your points are indisputable. You have more/bigger friends, so you win the argument. Sounded a bit like my six year old on the playground. More compelling might have actually been to refute the examples I gave and actually have an argument instead of fantastical sound bites.

[Randy]

Do you want me to post video evidence of every time he flops? I actually think that point is undeniable. And just go look at the other game threads as for complaining Creighton fans. Pretty easy to see.

I just think Creighton fans are used to the MVC, with sub par athletes. This is a big boy league, where you need to hold your ground through contact down low, not fall to the ground. Just the way it is.

And i have an affinity for Creighton, going to grad school there. However, my real alliance is with my undergraduate team, so I can look at Creighton objectively.

[mpwalsh8]

One observation I've made down the stretch of the season. When Doug plays tough in the beginning of the game and fights through all contact, he gets "star treatment" in the second half (see @Marquette). When he flops and flails early overexaggerating the slightest of bumps, he gets far less/nothing that game. Last night a couple early 'sell jobs' probably resulted in far more physicality because he lost the benefit of any doubt. He's no Marcus Smart or Tyler Hansborough with the flopping and flailing, but he has moments they'd appreciate. He needs to play tough all the time and not look to the refs when they're letting it go.

Within the first minute of the game, McDermott curled around a screen and ran right into Trawick who was then called for a foul. Trawick was doing nothing but standing there. I thought that was a bad call and McDermott benefited due to who he is. From that point on though, it seemed like McDermott didn't get anything special and it was pretty physical. I only caught the first half and while I agree it was reminiscent of an old Big East game, it seemed that DM is pretty aggressive in pushing off to get open. There were a number of plays that were a no-call, which I am ok with, which easily could have been called on DM for pushing off. Likewise, there were quite a few plays where a Georgetown defender grabbed or had a hand on McDermott which technically a found, was also not called.

Net-net, it was pretty even, just more physical than a lot of games we've seen this year. I can't speak to the second half, I got overruled by the rest of the family who wanted to watch Modern Family. Tracking the score via the CBSSports App isn't quite the same!

[XUFan09]

Creighton complains about the refs after every single game. It is actually becoming comical.

This just isn't true. There isn't a fanbase that doesn't have some people complaining about the refs, but Creighton fans as a group are one of the last fanbases I think of in the conference when it comes to ref bitching.

[jays911]

Didn't like the reffing last night, but it sure didn't decide the game. Does Doug flop? Sure. Does Doug get mugged? Sure. That is all part of the game, isn't it?