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Re: Bracket Matrix

Postby dmac80 » Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:32 am

HoosierPal wrote:Question: There are 36 at large bids. Does the American Conference have an automatic entry this year, or are they totally in the At Large category? Or do they have an Automatic and there are only 35 At Larges? They are a new conference. No conferences were dropped, so how are the numbers reconciled?



This might be nitpicking, and it even may not be accurate, but my understanding is the AAC is the legal successor of the old Big East, and thus is not a "new" conference, it is merely renamed. The extra "new" conference is us, the new Big East. I assume and believe from what I had read last summer we will be getting an auto bid for the winner of the BET... Can anyone else chime in?
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Re: Bracket Matrix

Postby dmac80 » Fri Jan 24, 2014 9:38 am

HoosierPal wrote:http://www.bracketmatrix.com/

This massive bracket matrix has been reshuffled as of yesterday. No huge surprises. The consensus of 63 brackets has Villanova as a 2 seed, Creighton as a 4, and Xavier as an 8. Providence has moved into the Last Four In as a 12 seed, but Georgetown is now in the First Four Out. Marquette has disappeared off everyone's bracket.



How do you know who the last 4 in and last 4 out are?
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Re: Bracket Matrix

Postby gofriars08 » Fri Jan 24, 2014 10:01 am

dmac80 wrote:
HoosierPal wrote:http://www.bracketmatrix.com/

This massive bracket matrix has been reshuffled as of yesterday. No huge surprises. The consensus of 63 brackets has Villanova as a 2 seed, Creighton as a 4, and Xavier as an 8. Providence has moved into the Last Four In as a 12 seed, but Georgetown is now in the First Four Out. Marquette has disappeared off everyone's bracket.



How do you know who the last 4 in and last 4 out are?

The bolded teams are auto-bids, so Stanford, Southern Miss, Providence and Dayton are the last four out.
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Re: Bracket Matrix

Postby stever20 » Fri Jan 24, 2014 10:21 am

gofriars08 wrote:
dmac80 wrote:
HoosierPal wrote:http://www.bracketmatrix.com/

This massive bracket matrix has been reshuffled as of yesterday. No huge surprises. The consensus of 63 brackets has Villanova as a 2 seed, Creighton as a 4, and Xavier as an 8. Providence has moved into the Last Four In as a 12 seed, but Georgetown is now in the First Four Out. Marquette has disappeared off everyone's bracket.



How do you know who the last 4 in and last 4 out are?

The bolded teams are auto-bids, so Stanford, Southern Miss, Providence and Dayton are the last four out.

It's Stanford, SMU(not Southern Miss), Providence, and Dayton- that are the last 4 in(playing in Dayton in PIG).

What would be interesting with that scenario is how they would determine who would get stuck playing Dayton in Dayton. I'd be afraid using this data that it woudl be Providence(the lowest of all the PIG teams.
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Re: Bracket Matrix

Postby shupirate98 » Fri Jan 24, 2014 11:25 am

dmac80 wrote:
HoosierPal wrote:Question: There are 36 at large bids. Does the American Conference have an automatic entry this year, or are they totally in the At Large category? Or do they have an Automatic and there are only 35 At Larges? They are a new conference. No conferences were dropped, so how are the numbers reconciled?



This might be nitpicking, and it even may not be accurate, but my understanding is the AAC is the legal successor of the old Big East, and thus is not a "new" conference, it is merely renamed. The extra "new" conference is us, the new Big East. I assume and believe from what I had read last summer we will be getting an auto bid for the winner of the BET... Can anyone else chime in?


That is accurate.
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Re: Bracket Matrix

Postby HoosierPal » Fri Jan 24, 2014 11:46 am

gofriars08 wrote:
dmac80 wrote:
HoosierPal wrote:http://www.bracketmatrix.com/

This massive bracket matrix has been reshuffled as of yesterday. No huge surprises. The consensus of 63 brackets has Villanova as a 2 seed, Creighton as a 4, and Xavier as an 8. Providence has moved into the Last Four In as a 12 seed, but Georgetown is now in the First Four Out. Marquette has disappeared off everyone's bracket.



How do you know who the last 4 in and last 4 out are?

The bolded teams are auto-bids, so Stanford, Southern Miss, Providence and Dayton are the last four out.


I think Stanford, SMiss, PC, and Dayton are the last four IN. The first four out are listed, along with the next four.

If you are interested, go to the Rankings tab where the accuracy of each bracket is discussed. It shows you which individual bracket(s) have over the past three years been the most accurate. It goes pretty deep into the discussion but provides the metrics it considers. Joe Lunardi is only 35th on this list. I thought he was more or less the standard bearer. And the Real Time RPI bracket is dead last.
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Re: Bracket Matrix

Postby XUFan09 » Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:16 pm

With bracketology, Joe Lunardi and Jerry Palm are the definition of mediocrity and have been for a few years. Jeff Borzello is good and the composite of all the submitted brackets is pretty good.
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Re: Bracket Matrix

Postby redmen9194 » Fri Jan 24, 2014 2:53 pm

Both the AAC and the Big East get an automatic bid. It reduces the at large spots by one as we are the additional auto bid.
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Re: Bracket Matrix

Postby HoosierPal » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:09 am

http://www.bracketmatrix.com/


This consensus matix was updated prior to last night's games: Villanova 2 seed, Creighton 3 seed, X a 9 and Providence a 11.

Georgetown named on two brackets. No other Big East love.
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Re: Bracket Matrix

Postby Bill Marsh » Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:20 am

dmac80 wrote:
HoosierPal wrote:Question: There are 36 at large bids. Does the American Conference have an automatic entry this year, or are they totally in the At Large category? Or do they have an Automatic and there are only 35 At Larges? They are a new conference. No conferences were dropped, so how are the numbers reconciled?



This might be nitpicking, and it even may not be accurate, but my understanding is the AAC is the legal successor of the old Big East, and thus is not a "new" conference, it is merely renamed. The extra "new" conference is us, the new Big East. I assume and believe from what I had read last summer we will be getting an auto bid for the winner of the BET... Can anyone else chime in?


I don't think this is true - although I may be wrong.

The old Big East had an agreement that if either the football or basketball schools left as a group, the conference would split. The basketball schools exercised that option when they left. As I see it, a split is different than forming a new conference. The two halves are forming separate but equal entities, each obtaining an aboutor bid since each met the requirements for a bid.

The fact that the football side didn't put up a fight when the basketball schools wanted to keep the name - except to get money - suggests to me that if anyone had the upper hand to the right to be considered the successor conference, it would be the basketball schools. They had 7 continuing members while the football schools had only 5 with 2 of those having already announced their intentions to leave in a year.
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