Bad Day for AAC

[stever20]

Stever,

If you really think that it is even remotely close, that you would even call it equal, to be on espn news and espnu rather than be the prime ticket on fox sports, then we are so far apart in our thinking that it is not really worth discussing. I'm not copping out here, I respect you as a poster, but we are obviously so far apart so why bother discussing it?

We are the main event on fox. And most of those games are on fs1, not rsns (and I get all the rsns right next to fs1 and fs2 and espn anyway). We are the primary focus of their marketing, get the best crews, and have incredible cross network/sport advertising.

Aac is an espn afterthought, burried on espn news, espn u, and espn internet streams (I get that their conference games are on espn news, but a third of their schedule was internet stream only).

It is not even close. If you think it is, then I will accuse you of buyer's remorse and caution/uncertainty about our future than clear thinking.

I'm not expecting to change your mind, because you clearly aren't thinking straight. The aac media exposure is terrible. Their out of conference games are internet stream only, their in conference games are on espn news, they receive no network media hype or support. It really is horrendous.

We are in incredible shape. We are being hyped all over all of fox's major product, and we are taking front stage on their sports programming.

And fox doesn't need the nba. The nba is killing espn. I am glad that fox is committed to college basketball.

I'm sorry-I think what you are saying about their tv deal is so bad because their OOC games weren't televised- I don't think that's really a big deal at all. I mean, so you didn't get to see Kennesaw St @ Cincy on TV. Big Deal. I don't think we are so great just because Butler got a game on FS1 vs Manchester. That's just stupid. What were the ratings for all the junk ooc games(and that's what they were... junk). The conference season is what matters. I think having 20+ games on ESPN/2 is HUGE for them. RSN games are a huge drawback for me. They aren't national broadcasts. I think starting next year we have more games on CBSSN than they do- with being mostly conference games.

You can bet Fox is going after the NBA. Fox can not survive with what they have right now. There just isn't enough content right now.

As far as being their primary focus- and get their best crews- I think I saw Raft will be in Colorado tomorrow for the game vs Oregon. Not at Nova/Providence.

[Jet915]

Stever,

If you really think that it is even remotely close, that you would even call it equal, to be on espn news and espnu rather than be the prime ticket on fox sports, then we are so far apart in our thinking that it is not really worth discussing. I'm not copping out here, I respect you as a poster, but we are obviously so far apart so why bother discussing it?

We are the main event on fox. And most of those games are on fs1, not rsns (and I get all the rsns right next to fs1 and fs2 and espn anyway). We are the primary focus of their marketing, get the best crews, and have incredible cross network/sport advertising.

Aac is an espn afterthought, burried on espn news, espn u, and espn internet streams (I get that their conference games are on espn news, but a third of their schedule was internet stream only).

It is not even close. If you think it is, then I will accuse you of buyer's remorse and caution/uncertainty about our future than clear thinking.

I'm not expecting to change your mind, because you clearly aren't thinking straight. The aac media exposure is terrible. Their out of conference games are internet stream only, their in conference games are on espn news, they receive no network media hype or support. It really is horrendous.

We are in incredible shape. We are being hyped all over all of fox's major product, and we are taking front stage on their sports programming.

And fox doesn't need the nba. The nba is killing espn. I am glad that fox is committed to college basketball.

I'm sorry-I think what you are saying about their tv deal is so bad because their OOC games weren't televised- I don't think that's really a big deal at all. I mean, so you didn't get to see Kennesaw St @ Cincy on TV. Big Deal. I don't think we are so great just because Butler got a game on FS1 vs Manchester. That's just stupid. What were the ratings for all the junk ooc games(and that's what they were... junk). The conference season is what matters. I think having 20+ games on ESPN/2 is HUGE for them. RSN games are a huge drawback for me. They aren't national broadcasts. I think starting next year we have more games on CBSSN than they do- with being mostly conference games.

You can bet Fox is going after the NBA. Fox can not survive with what they have right now. There just isn't enough content right now.

As far as being their primary focus- and get their best crews- I think I saw Raft will be in Colorado tomorrow for the game vs Oregon. Not at Nova/Providence.

So the question is Stever, would you rather have the AAC TV deal or the Big East TV deal?

[stever20]

I'd rather have the Big East, but the AAC deal is no where near as bad as he's making it out to be. If the money was equal, it would be a very close gap quite frankly.

[Peter]

I'd rather have the Big East, but the AAC deal is no where near as bad as he's making it out to be. If the money was equal, it would be a very close gap quite frankly.

No way. Plus, the AAC is going to really stink next year. Who's going to watch that league on those channels? Uconn fans have got to be freaking out right now.

[notkirkcameron]

Not to be the bearer of bad news, but ESPNU gets more viewers than FS1 for college basketball games.

Not saying I don't want FS1 to succeed or that FS1 will get more in the long run, just stating facts as it shows right now.

Those facts should also point out that FS1's marquee college basketball attraction, the Big East Conference, has been playing games for less than a week. You're not going to get anyone besides the real die-hards to tune in to watch Marquette-Grambling, Creighton-UMKC, Lipscomb-Georgetown or NJIT-Seton Hall.

[stever20]

I'd rather have the Big East, but the AAC deal is no where near as bad as he's making it out to be. If the money was equal, it would be a very close gap quite frankly.

No way. Plus, the AAC is going to really stink next year. Who's going to watch that league on those channels? Uconn fans have got to be freaking out right now.

that's not what we are debating. We are debating their tv deal. The coverage on it is no where near as poor as he's making it out to be.

And right now, that league that stinks may be getting half their league in the tourney. SMU light years closer to making the tourney than Butler is right now.

[Friarfan2]

I stand by my statement. The aac deal is terrible. Espn has essentially declared them a non-power conference, shoved a third of their games on internet streams, and burried the rest on espn news and espnu.

Sorry, but there is no way you will convince me that is a good thing.

I will enjoy watching the big east promos today while watching the nfl playoffs.

[stever20]

I stand by my statement. The aac deal is terrible. Espn has essentially declared them a non-power conference, shoved a third of their games on internet streams, and burried the rest on espn news and espnu.

Sorry, but there is no way you will convince me that is a good thing.

I will enjoy watching the big east promos today while watching the nfl playoffs.

I'm sorry but nobody gives a rip if Grambling/DePaul was televised while Arkansas Pine Bluff/Cincy was on ESPN3. That doesn't matter to the casual fan at all. Nobody but obsessed fan gives a rip of the mediocre OOC games being televised at all. AAC has at least 20 games on ESPN or ESPN2 of their 90 conference games. NONE are on RSN's. You act like OOC games are so important. If that was the case, what were the ratings? The games were so pathetic that no one watched. Fox BURIED the best OOC game of the season against the NFL on a Sunday. Brilliant.

I've watched a lot of football on Fox, and haven't seen many promo's for Big East basketball on it at all. In fact, the most promo's I've seen for the Big East was a few weeks ago when Villanova/Syracuse was promoted a lot. Fox hasn't done a ton of cross promotion at all quite frankly. And like today, they aren't going to promote the Providence/Villanova game tonight because that game starts at 7 while the football game won't end until 8.

[Friarfan2]

Are you kidding? The providence/oregon/ucla game today was hyped like crazy recently. The new year's eve marathon was run every commercial break on my fox channel. The world series had tons of promos for providence v bc and nova v lafayette. You must be fast forwarding through those commercials. Or maybe you only watch the cbs games.

And I give a rip if my games are televised. That's a third of the season that the aac had tossed out the window. I watched tons of those games from the big east that I would not have watched if they were internet streams.

And espn has declared the aac a mid-major. They burried them. We have fox declaring us king. I will take the latter.

Sorry, but you are dead wrong here. That espn deal is complete garbage. So happy we ran away from that. Nothing screams mid-major more than a boatload of espn news games and internet streams.

[stever20]

Also- it's hardly a third of the games that were on ESPN3.

31 game schedule
18 conference games- ALL on TV
3 exempt tourney games- all on TV
at least 2-3 games road- on opposing teams tv deal

So realistically you're looking at maybe 5-6. Have to remember even for us- a lot of our games were on FS2 or FSN.

Also- what other conference but us has the tv coverage? AAC may not be as good as us- but compared to any other conference- it's very good.