Big East Bad Loses

[Bill Marsh]

Maybe Marquette's just not a top team in this league. They certainly haven't played like it in the first month.

Dude have you ever said anything good about Marquette? If you have I'll be blown away it's like everything's a struggle when trying to prove MU to you.

Why are you so sensitive about this? Marquette has been overrated since the pre-season. I gave my honest assessment of them from the beginning that they are a middle of the pack Big East team with some rebuilding to do. Now they are playing exactly like I predicted they would play. Why is it an insult to point out that they have been overrated all along.

Apparently it's not an insult to say that Peovidence, or butler, or Xavier is a middle of the pack team, but it's an insult to say that Marquette is? why is that? It was okay for some Marquette fans to say that Vilanova was going to be a middle of the pack team? Why? Shouldn't a Marquette loss to Arizona State be viewed in exactly the same light as a Xavier loss to USC?

Shouldn't all of the fans who dissed Villanova be apologizing be apologizing now that the Wildcats are playing like the best team in the conference. I don't see anyone doing that. Yet, there was little reason to downgrade a Villanova team that was loaded with returning talent. I've admitted that I was wrong about Butler, whom I picked to finish 9th. I've done so because Butler has given me reason to believe in them. What has Marquette done to five anyone reason to believe they're anything better than a middle of the pack team.

If you want that respect, it's got to be earned. To say that the Arizona State loss is a bad loss because Marquette was "supposed" to win that game, why don't we say that Marquette right now simply is what it's record says that it is. A team that was non-competitive against a ranked team when it played Ohio State. A team that couldn't win against ASU, a middle of the pack team in the PAC-12 last year (with no reason to think they'll be any better this year). A team that struggled to win against Southern and New Hampshire. After a while those performances aren't flukes. They're simply indicators of what this team is. They miss Cadougan and the others on the perimeter a lot mor than any of you were willing to admit.

But somehow I'm at fault for simply pointing out the obvious? And you guys aren't at fault for overrating them all along?

[MUBoxer]

Maybe Marquette's just not a top team in this league. They certainly haven't played like it in the first month.

Dude have you ever said anything good about Marquette? If you have I'll be blown away it's like everything's a struggle when trying to prove MU to you.

Why are you so sensitive about this? Marquette has been overrated since the pre-season. I gave my honest assessment of them from the beginning that they are a middle of the pack Big East team with some rebuilding to do. Now they are playing exactly like I predicted they would play. Why is it an insult to point out that they have been overrated all along.

Apparently it's not an insult to say that Peovidence, or butler, or Xavier is a middle of the pack team, but it's an insult to say that Marquette is? why is that? It was okay for some Marquette fans to say that Vilanova was going to be a middle of the pack team? Why? Shouldn't a Marquette loss to Arizona State be viewed in exactly the same light as a Xavier loss to USC?

Shouldn't all of the fans who dissed Villanova be apologizing be apologizing now that the Wildcats are playing like the best team in the conference. I don't see anyone doing that. Yet, there was little reason to downgrade a Villanova team that was loaded with returning talent. I've admitted that I was wrong about Butler, whom I picked to finish 9th. I've done so because Butler has given me reason to believe in them. What has Marquette done to five anyone reason to believe they're anything better than a middle of the pack team.

If you want that respect, it's got to be earned. To say that the Arizona State loss is a bad loss because Marquette was "supposed" to win that game, why don't we say that Marquette right now simply is what it's record says that it is. A team that was non-competitive against a ranked team when it played Ohio State. A team that couldn't win against ASU, a middle of the pack team in the PAC-12 last year (with no reason to think they'll be any better this year). A team that struggled to win against Southern and New Hampshire. After a while those performances aren't flukes. They're simply indicators of what this team is. They miss Cadougan and the others on the perimeter a lot mor than any of you were willing to admit.

But somehow I'm at fault for simply pointing out the obvious? And you guys aren't at fault for overrating them all along?

Dude I'm not talking about that but every single time MU is brought up by you you're quick to put us down whether it's what we bring to the BE, our history, this year's team, the recent run of success, etc. It's not just this year, you want a slap on the back for calling that we were overrated? Ok congrats you called it. I'm ok with giving you that one but why is it everything else about MU gets questioned by you?

[redmen9194]

Wow. I just listed a bunch of games that could be considered bad losses. Everyone is losing it a bit. Stop getting insulted about mid major and all this nonsense. Everyone needs to chill a bit.

[admin]

I tweeted this but thought it might be worth mentioning here also. I am as guilty as anyone declaring a "good day" or a "bad day" for the Big East, but the reality is that this league was just formed earlier this year after a major move by our school presidents to emphasize college hoops first and foremost. Our vision needs to be long term and in that regard, our future is very bright.

[stever20]

I tweeted this but thought it might be worth mentioning here also. I am as guilty as anyone declaring a "good day" or a "bad day" for the Big East, but the reality is that this league was just formed earlier this year after a major move by our school presidents to emphasize college hoops first and foremost. Our vision needs to be long term and in that regard, our future is very bright.

I don't necessarily dispute this, but you never get a 2nd chance to make a 1st impression.

[OutlawWales]

Same with Ceighton / SDSU. We haven to think of ourselves in the way other conferences think of themselves. The top teams in the league should beat mid majors. Just like Duke and Cuse in the ACC or Michigan State and Ohio State in the Big Ten.

As a fan of a school that was called "mid major" last year, that attitude is ridiculous and harmful. Yeah, there are a lot of "mid major" teams that every big conference school should consider itself better than. But you can't lump all of them into that category and automatically say that the top teams in our league should beat every single team in a mid major conference every single time out. Gonzaga is a mid major -- losing to Gonzaga would not be a bad loss in anyone's eyes. As much as I despise them with every fiber of my being, Wichita State is a borderline top 10 team. Losing to them would not be a bad loss in anyone's eyes. Last year Creighton and Butler and X were mid majors -- losing to them was not a "bad" loss no matter who you were last year.

San Diego State is a program that is universally well respected and that beats BCS programs every year. Add in that this was pretty much a home game for them, in terms of location and fan support and officiating down the stretch, and consider the way they very nearly beat top 3 Arizona earlier in the year, and it's pretty hard to spin that as a bad loss.

Wanna bet on that? SLU has 2 bad losses this year (which is part of the reason I dont' post much here).

Wanna bet on what? Are you suggesting that losing to Wichita IS a bad loss this year? I'm not sure how SLU having 2 bad losses has anything to do with that. Find me someone who would call your loss to Wichita a bad loss -- you were supposed to lose to them, as just about every team they play this year will be supposed to do. How in the world would that be a bad loss?

[stever20]

yeah, and SLU's other loss was to Wisconsin. It's only a bad loss in the prism of it's a lost oppurtunity.

[billyjack]

I tweeted this but thought it might be worth mentioning here also. I am as guilty as anyone declaring a "good day" or a "bad day" for the Big East, but the reality is that this league was just formed earlier this year after a major move by our school presidents to emphasize college hoops first and foremost. Our vision needs to be long term and in that regard, our future is very bright.

I don't necessarily dispute this, but you never get a 2nd chance to make a 1st impression.

"but you never get a 2nd chance to make a 1st impression"
... ??? ... yeah, great, there's a lot of wisdom in "Head N Shoulders" commercials...

[JOPO]

I give it to these two

Seton Hall/Fairleigh Dickinson
Georgetown/Northeastern

The Fairleigh Dickinson one because of how "bad" that team is suppose to be compared to other D1 schools. Yes SH is expected to finish in the lower 1/3rd of the BE but FE is expected to finish last in the North East Conference. They finished dead last in their conference last year.

Georgetown Loss because GU is expected to finish in the top 1/3rd o the conference and arguably the most "marketable brand" in the BE. That hurts our image.

Seton Hall totally crapped the bed and embarrassed the Big East with their performance, or lack thereof, on Sunday against FDU in doing their best impression of Rutgers to date. The Mercer game was also embarrassing given the talent we actually do have. No one in South Orange should be talking about any sort of post-season if these are the kinds of performances we are going to be turning in. I was at the game on Sunday, it was beyond awful!

[JOPO]

I tweeted this but thought it might be worth mentioning here also. I am as guilty as anyone declaring a "good day" or a "bad day" for the Big East, but the reality is that this league was just formed earlier this year after a major move by our school presidents to emphasize college hoops first and foremost. Our vision needs to be long term and in that regard, our future is very bright.

I don't necessarily dispute this, but you never get a 2nd chance to make a 1st impression.

Amen! That said, my school really needs to step up to the plate and start winning against an already awful OOC slate. It's bad enough that we currently have this type of schedule; it's even worse that we have any losses against it!