Commissioner "Val"

[NJRedman]

News Corp just fired their top dog of their entertainment division and you can be sure the head of the sports division knows all too well if his team doesn't perform then he can kiss his arse goodbye. FS1 future doesn't rest on the back of Big East rather the Big East is a stop gap tool for programming until better programming can be secured. If the Big East brass doesn't know this then they're not very bright, so their job is to build the best conference they can build. Their chances of getting another contract like this 1 is next to nonexistent. The Zags aren't going to hitch their wagon to this train unless a western div is in the mix and Fox isn't going to pay for 6 to 8 more teams at the original per capita rate and I don't anticiapte the C7 sharing any of their windfall. At some point they'll figure this out, 10 teams will never cut it and western division makes no sense - expansion will happen east and central time zones.

1. It's clear you're trolling.

2. It's clear you can't read since i clearly said it was extremely unlikely that the conference would expand west.

3. The head of programming on Fox resigning is not a indication that Fox will dump FS1 after a year of being on the air. Fox sports is a different branch of the larger News Corp family. If you'll notice they will hire a NEW head of Fox and they will continue to do business. So your assumption that we're all screwed is ridiculous and unfounded.

4. The Zags like any other school without an FBS FB program would jump at the chance to join the Big East for the sheer amount of TV money available and the chance to be in a multi-bid league. Saying they never would shows your ignorance for the situation at hand.

[muskienick]

News Corp just fired their top dog of their entertainment division and you can be sure the head of the sports division knows all too well if his team doesn't perform then he can kiss his arse goodbye. FS1 future doesn't rest on the back of Big East rather the Big East is a stop gap tool for programming until better programming can be secured. If the Big East brass doesn't know this then they're not very bright, so their job is to build the best conference they can build. Their chances of getting another contract like this 1 is next to nonexistent. The Zags aren't going to hitch their wagon to this train unless a western div is in the mix and Fox isn't going to pay for 6 to 8 more teams at the original per capita rate and I don't anticiapte the C7 sharing any of their windfall. At some point they'll figure this out, 10 teams will never cut it and western division makes no sense - expansion will happen east and central time zones.

I think this is my 65th post to this Board. That is not many, but you have included more inaccuracies and unfounded conclusions in this one post than I have in my previous 64 (although some of my proposals --- not conclusions or prognostications have been more than a little bit whacky)!

[BEwannabe]

News Corp just fired their top dog of their entertainment division and you can be sure the head of the sports division knows all too well if his team doesn't perform then he can kiss his arse goodbye. FS1 future doesn't rest on the back of Big East rather the Big East is a stop gap tool for programming until better programming can be secured. If the Big East brass doesn't know this then they're not very bright, so their job is to build the best conference they can build. Their chances of getting another contract like this 1 is next to nonexistent. The Zags aren't going to hitch their wagon to this train unless a western div is in the mix and Fox isn't going to pay for 6 to 8 more teams at the original per capita rate and I don't anticiapte the C7 sharing any of their windfall. At some point they'll figure this out, 10 teams will never cut it and western division makes no sense - expansion will happen east and central time zones.

Just my opinion, but I don't agree with the whole body of what you wrote here.

well I do appreciate your ability to articulate your dissent without hurling verbals barbs. This is how I see it but it may take 2-5 years for the situation to play out which I believe is a strategic blunder by C7.

[stever20]

one thing- if we expanded to 12- I don't see either a divisional structure, nor a 16 game season. The 16 game schedule is going even further away than before. This past year I think only 5 conferences played 16 conference games(with 10+ teams), and I think at least 2 if not 3 are going to 18 games now. I think it's now only going to be the Big South, NEC, and MEAC that are playing only 16 conference games. Similarly I do not see us going to anything over 18 games.

10 member conference I'm still very skeptical of. Just too easy to have a year like this year, where we were frankly lucky to get 4 teams in. The round robin is nice, but I'd much rather have the extra 2-4 teams and have more teams in. I mean, even going 11 is better. AAC set their schedule and their top 4 teams(UConn, Memphis, SMU, and Cincy) play each of them 2x, and avoid 2 of the other 7 teams a 2nd game. What does that do? The 5th team(lets say Temple for discussions sake)- they avoid Memphis. Lets say they beat all the other teams. That gets them up to 11 wins in conference, meaning if they have done anything OOC, they should make the tourney(and that's w/o any wins against the top 4 teams).

[NJRedman]

News Corp just fired their top dog of their entertainment division and you can be sure the head of the sports division knows all too well if his team doesn't perform then he can kiss his arse goodbye. FS1 future doesn't rest on the back of Big East rather the Big East is a stop gap tool for programming until better programming can be secured. If the Big East brass doesn't know this then they're not very bright, so their job is to build the best conference they can build. Their chances of getting another contract like this 1 is next to nonexistent. The Zags aren't going to hitch their wagon to this train unless a western div is in the mix and Fox isn't going to pay for 6 to 8 more teams at the original per capita rate and I don't anticiapte the C7 sharing any of their windfall. At some point they'll figure this out, 10 teams will never cut it and western division makes no sense - expansion will happen east and central time zones.

Just my opinion, but I don't agree with the whole body of what you wrote here.

well I do appreciate your ability to articulate your dissent without hurling verbals barbs. This is how I see it but it may take 2-5 years for the situation to play out which I believe is a strategic blunder by C7.

Well it's nice that thats how you see it, but I have looked at Fox's past ventures. Fox channel becoming the fourth network when no one thought they could, Fox News being the ratings leader amongst cable news channels when CNN ruled that market. Now here they are jumping into the world of Sports Television. You don't think they can succeed there? It's fine if you don't, but myself and the past disagree with you.

[BEwannabe]

Across Fox broadcasting Sports is the leader and I never said otherwise. What I opine and Big East proponents don't like to hear is the Big East is not a franchise type property rather a stop gap measure being used until Fox can attract more high profile content. ESPN is going to do everything in their power to hinder those efforts and minimize any FS1 franchises like the Big East. There is no downside in the strategy ESPN because Big East viewership is next to non existent. Added to the fray is NBC Sports who just stole the Olympics for another 20 years and make no mistake this was a huge win because reports are they got it for the same price no or little price creep (increase). And NBC Sports does a good job much more entertaining network than FS1 at this point.

[DudeAnon]

Nothing gets me more excited than arguing the merits of different media conglomerates.

We have a 10 (12?) year contract that more than provides for every member of the conference. How about we wait a few more years to see how everything pans out. Things always CAN go bad but luckily for ourselves things ARE not bad currently nor for the next decade.

[NJRedman]

Across Fox broadcasting Sports is the leader and I never said otherwise. What I opine and Big East proponents don't like to hear is the Big East is not a franchise type property rather a stop gap measure being used until Fox can attract more high profile content. ESPN is going to do everything in their power to hinder those efforts and minimize any FS1 franchises like the Big East. There is no downside in the strategy ESPN because Big East viewership is next to non existent. Added to the fray is NBC Sports who just stole the Olympics for another 20 years and make no mistake this was a huge win because reports are they got it for the same price no or little price creep (increase). And NBC Sports does a good job much more entertaining network than FS1 at this point.

The Olympics? If it's such a get then why didn't ESPN even bid for it? The only thing that NBC has that Fox would like to have is the NHL deal. Olympics are once every two years for a month at a time. Not a huge loss.

Even if we are a "Stop-Gap" we are partnered with a business that does not roll over and die. They fight until they are #1. They fight until they are seen as peers to the power players. So in a decades time we might share FS1 with the NBA, B1G and half of the Pac and Big XII but we will still be a conference who is highlighted on that channel. Nothing else is even really up for bid until the end of our own contract. So who are they going to sign thats going to push us off the network?

Is ESPN going to ignore the Big Ten? The NBA? Pac-12? Big XII? They can ignore us but if the station continues to grow it's going to be harder for them to act like we don't exist.

[stever20]

Across Fox broadcasting Sports is the leader and I never said otherwise. What I opine and Big East proponents don't like to hear is the Big East is not a franchise type property rather a stop gap measure being used until Fox can attract more high profile content. ESPN is going to do everything in their power to hinder those efforts and minimize any FS1 franchises like the Big East. There is no downside in the strategy ESPN because Big East viewership is next to non existent. Added to the fray is NBC Sports who just stole the Olympics for another 20 years and make no mistake this was a huge win because reports are they got it for the same price no or little price creep (increase). And NBC Sports does a good job much more entertaining network than FS1 at this point.

The Olympics? If it's such a get then why didn't ESPN even bid for it? The only thing that NBC has that Fox would like to have is the NHL deal. Olympics are once every two years for a month at a time. Not a huge loss.

Even if we are a "Stop-Gap" we are partnered with a business that does not roll over and die. They fight until they are #1. They fight until they are seen as peers to the power players. So in a decades time we might share FS1 with the NBA, B1G and half of the Pac and Big XII but we will still be a conference who is highlighted on that channel. Nothing else is even really up for bid until the end of our own contract. So who are they going to sign thats going to push us off the network?

Is ESPN going to ignore the Big Ten? The NBA? Pac-12? Big XII? They can ignore us but if the station continues to grow it's going to be harder for them to act like we don't exist.

Big difference though is that ESPN will still have a piece of all those properties. The Big East would be the only thing that they have no stake in.

I don't think you realize how thin things get if Fox gets NBA, Big Ten. NBA- 1 night a week would be a dh. Let's say Wednesday as Turner has Tue/Thu and ESPN has Fri. UFC isn't going anywhere- and won't be buried on Friday nights. All of a sudden you are down to only 2 of Monday/Tuesday/Thursday nights. And you are sharing with the Big Ten and they would have a lot of 7pm starts as well.

[Jet915]

Across Fox broadcasting Sports is the leader and I never said otherwise. What I opine and Big East proponents don't like to hear is the Big East is not a franchise type property rather a stop gap measure being used until Fox can attract more high profile content. ESPN is going to do everything in their power to hinder those efforts and minimize any FS1 franchises like the Big East. There is no downside in the strategy ESPN because Big East viewership is next to non existent. Added to the fray is NBC Sports who just stole the Olympics for another 20 years and make no mistake this was a huge win because reports are they got it for the same price no or little price creep (increase). And NBC Sports does a good job much more entertaining network than FS1 at this point.

The Olympics? If it's such a get then why didn't ESPN even bid for it? The only thing that NBC has that Fox would like to have is the NHL deal. Olympics are once every two years for a month at a time. Not a huge loss.

Even if we are a "Stop-Gap" we are partnered with a business that does not roll over and die. They fight until they are #1. They fight until they are seen as peers to the power players. So in a decades time we might share FS1 with the NBA, B1G and half of the Pac and Big XII but we will still be a conference who is highlighted on that channel. Nothing else is even really up for bid until the end of our own contract. So who are they going to sign thats going to push us off the network?

Is ESPN going to ignore the Big Ten? The NBA? Pac-12? Big XII? They can ignore us but if the station continues to grow it's going to be harder for them to act like we don't exist.

Big difference though is that ESPN will still have a piece of all those properties. The Big East would be the only thing that they have no stake in.

I don't think you realize how thin things get if Fox gets NBA, Big Ten. NBA- 1 night a week would be a dh. Let's say Wednesday as Turner has Tue/Thu and ESPN has Fri. UFC isn't going anywhere- and won't be buried on Friday nights. All of a sudden you are down to only 2 of Monday/Tuesday/Thursday nights. And you are sharing with the Big Ten and they would have a lot of 7pm starts as well.

Geez stever. First you complain that FS1 gets no exposure because they have no properties and is a disaster. Then you state that if they get the NBA/Big Ten, the Big East will get screwed cause they won't get any good time slots. You can't be doomsday both ways....