If McDermott wins NPOY where will he rank in Big East lore?

[marquette]

Congrats! Well deserved.

[stever20]

maybe the least suspenseful player of the year award ever. Not just McDermott being an all-time great. but also just not much competition. Pretty much everyone knew come Feb 1(if not sooner) that he was going to get this award.

[Omaha1]

Won the AP POY with 64 out of 65 possible first place votes. Largest margin of victory in AP history.

Was also named a winner of the Senior CLASS award that also consider academics, character, and community service.

[Sumdumguy]

This is a different era so I don't consider McDermott an all-time great college player. He is a great player in the era he played in but he doesn't stack up against the greats of other eras. Also, you need to make a run in the NCAA tourney to truly be considered an all-time great in any era so to me he is not in the conversation. I didn't expect him to be Danny Manning, Glenn Rice or Kemba Walker but a Sweet Sixteen was more than a reasonable prerequisite for him to qualify for entry into the discussion.

Is Pete Maravich on your list of all-time greats?

[marquette]

This is a different era so I don't consider McDermott an all-time great college player. He is a great player in the era he played in but he doesn't stack up against the greats of other eras. Also, you need to make a run in the NCAA tourney to truly be considered an all-time great in any era so to me he is not in the conversation. I didn't expect him to be Danny Manning, Glenn Rice or Kemba Walker but a Sweet Sixteen was more than a reasonable prerequisite for him to qualify for entry into the discussion.

Is Pete Maravich on your list of all-time greats?

Pete Maravich the all time leading scorer who achieved that in an era without 3 point shots (although many of his shots came from what would be 3 point range) and when players were only allowed to play varsity for 3 years? Nope, not on my list.

[Randy]

Pistol Pete is clearly an all-time college great. Anybody who argues otherwise loses all credibility.

However, if you point to the lack of a three point line and him being in college only 3 years, it is only fair to point out his field goals attempted over the course of his career and his FG%. His amount of field goals attempted is astronomically high campred to others on the list, and his FG% is not that impressive.

For instance:

McBuckets: 2075 FGA, 55 FG% over four years

Pistol: 3166 FGA, 44 FG% over three years

[cu blujs]

This is a different era so I don't consider McDermott an all-time great college player. He is a great player in the era he played in but he doesn't stack up against the greats of other eras. Also, you need to make a run in the NCAA tourney to truly be considered an all-time great in any era so to me he is not in the conversation. I didn't expect him to be Danny Manning, Glenn Rice or Kemba Walker but a Sweet Sixteen was more than a reasonable prerequisite for him to qualify for entry into the discussion.

If your all time greats had the supporting cast (or lack thereof) that Doug played with (particularly considering two of the other four starters could barely walk by the time they got to the NCAA tournament, let alone compete against top athletes), they may not have ever made the Sweet Sixteen either. I loved this team, but they clearly did not have the horses for a strong stretch run. A great player can carry a team on his back so far. In many ways it was purely on Doug that the team got as far as it did.

Manning had two other NBA players and two that played overseas on his championship team. Glen Rice played with 4 NBA draft picks on his championship team (3 other first round picks). Kemba Walker played with a first and a second round draft pick on his championship team. Doug has no other NBA players on his team, and maybe one international player - although it remains to be seen if Wragge's knee will allow him to play at that level. So your criteria is kind of skewed. Also, whose to say those greats of "other eras" could stack up against the athleticism and skill of today's top players. Mabye so, maybe not.

[marquette]

Pistol Pete is clearly an all-time college great. Anybody who argues otherwise loses all credibility.

However, if you point to the lack of a three point line and him being in college only 3 years, it is only fair to point out his field goals attempted over the course of his career and his FG%. His amount of field goals attempted is astronomically high campred to others on the list, and his FG% is not that impressive.

For instance:

McBuckets: 2075 FGA, 55 FG% over four years

Pistol: 3166 FGA, 44 FG% over three years

Ignoring, of course, that a lot more of Doug's shots came in the paint. Those tend to be higher percentage shots (yes, Doug is a solid shooter from outside also). Those kinds of numbers are not uncommon for a guy who spends significant minutes in the post. Shaquille O'Neal finished his career with a shooting percentage of 58%. You going to tell me he was a better shooter than Steve Kerr (48% and all time NBA leading 3 pt shooter)? You won't find a whole lot of guards with a significantly higher shooting percentage than Pistol Pete.

[Randy]

Not going to argue that. I was just pointing it out. It does not change the fact that he attempted over 1,000 more field goals.

[marquette]

Not going to argue that. I was just pointing it out. It does not change the fact that he attempted over 1,000 more field goals.

I'm not 100% sure why we're even comparing the two. Doug was far and away the best player in college ball this year and deserves recognition. He seems like a great kid, too.