Bad Luck at DePaul Continues

[stever20]

Stimage having surgery on Monday now and out 8-10 weeks. The news keeps getting better.

Wow- that would take it best case right before the Hawaii trip- and worst case a week into the conference season.

Definitely not what DePaul needed. Plus then it's always a readjustment when the player gets back getting everyone adjusted into their new roles...

[MUBoxer]

Yes, you do mention some self-inflicted items and we DePaul fans agree on most of those.

But these constant injuries are not.

Suspensions are also self-inflicting in a way. Some other programs do not suspend players as easily as others do. For our Big East member up North from Chicago.....you know what I am talking about.

I don't get it we had at least one player suspended a bunch of games when Buzz was coaching. Heck we went to Morgantown without half the roster being eligible.

[notkirkcameron]

Yes, you do mention some self-inflicted items and we DePaul fans agree on most of those.

But these constant injuries are not.

Suspensions are also self-inflicting in a way. Some other programs do not suspend players as easily as others do. For our Big East member up North from Chicago.....you know what I am talking about.

MU suspends Juan Anderson three games for accepting tickets to a Brewers game.

Vander Blue suspended for a half for being underage in a nightclub

MU Suspends 4 players for a half for breach of team rules at Morgantown.

MU suspends Starting point guard for rivalry game at Madison in 2011 for breach of team rules.

MU imposed one-game suspension against Buzz for recruiting violation for game against UConn in 2013.

Leading scorer suspended for breach of team rules before rivalry game at Madison in 2013

[Demon22]

I can't feel too bad for DePaul. Over the past 30 years, between hiring Joey Meyer, tearing down Alumni Hall, turning down the Finkl Steel site in favor of getting into bed with Rahm to build a trojan horse for a casino in the city limits cough cough I mean shiny new stadium, retaining Purnell, not firing their joke of an athletic director, so many of their wounds are self-inflicted.

This is so dumb.

1. Joey Meyer made the Tournament in seven of his first eight years, and was National Coach of the Year in 1987. Hiring him was undoubtedly NOT a mistake. Perhaps you could argue that they kept him too long at the end out of respect for Coach Ray, but he was absolutely the right hire at the time.

2. I loved Alumni Hall. I spent more time there than any other building on campus when I was a student. But the place was a dump. Not even close to being a bad idea to replace it.

3. The Finkl Steel site was and is an environmental disaster. Whoever purchases the site is probably looking at $40 million just to clean it up on top of the expense of purchasing the property before a shovel even hits the ground. DePaul is looking at a $75 million investment at McCormick Place. They'd have been looking at an investment of more than $300 million at Finkl Steel. It would have put the financial stability of the entire University at risk.

[notkirkcameron]

I can't feel too bad for DePaul. Over the past 30 years, between hiring Joey Meyer, tearing down Alumni Hall, turning down the Finkl Steel site in favor of getting into bed with Rahm to build a trojan horse for a casino in the city limits cough cough I mean shiny new stadium, retaining Purnell, not firing their joke of an athletic director, so many of their wounds are self-inflicted.

This is so dumb.

1. Joey Meyer made the Tournament in seven of his first eight years, and was National Coach of the Year in 1987. Hiring him was undoubtedly NOT a mistake. Perhaps you could argue that they kept him too long at the end out of respect for Coach Ray, but he was absolutely the right hire at the time.

2. I loved Alumni Hall. I spent more time there than any other building on campus when I was a student. But the place was a dump. Not even close to being a bad idea to replace it.

3. The Finkl Steel site was and is an environmental disaster. Whoever purchases the site is probably looking at $40 million just to clean it up on top of the expense of purchasing the property before a shovel even hits the ground. DePaul is looking at a $75 million investment at McCormick Place. They'd have been looking at an investment of more than $300 million at Finkl Steel. It would have put the financial stability of the entire University at risk.

I personally cannot claim to have been to Alumni Hall, but the issue here is not Alumni Hall itself, it's the land where Alumni Hall once stood. If I seem annoyed, it's because I've heard DePaul fans many times complain that the reason why they can't get recruits or win games is because students won't come to the games because they're all the way out in Rosemont, but DePaul is stuck because there's nowhere on campus with enough land to build an arena. Well, whose fault is that?

A hypothetical parallel is the Cubs. Imagine the Cubs tore down Wrigley Field, and moved their games to Sox Park. But then, imagine the Cubs redeveloped the land where Wrigley Field is now, to be exclusively condos. If the Cubs then whined that their attendance was suffering because of the move, and whined about there not being enough open land in Lakeview to build a major league baseball stadium closer to their fanbase, no one would feel sorry for them at all. Their problem is one of their own making.

If I recall correctly, the land where Alumni Hall once stood, that's where DePaul's Student Center now is. You can literally build a student center anywhere. It can be big, small, it can be multiple stories to have a small footprint in a dense neighborhood like Lincoln Park, but a basketball arena NEEDS a footprint big enough to put a basketball court and stands down. When DePaul tore down Alumni Hall, they should have announced they were building an 8-10k athletics facility on its site, and that DePaul would play at the United Center in the interim. Yes, they built McGrath, but not on the same site, and it's a much smaller gym shoehorned into a small piece of real estate.

Instead, they stuck it out in Rosemont waaaaay past its sell-by date, and for their new arena, have found one of the few places in the Chicago area that may even be MORE inconvenient than Rosemont, where students are STILL a half hour away from campus by public transit. There seems to have been very little vision in the move, and even less in how to return DePaul to Lincoln Park.

[muskienick]

I can't feel too bad for DePaul. Over the past 30 years, between hiring Joey Meyer, tearing down Alumni Hall, turning down the Finkl Steel site in favor of getting into bed with Rahm to build a trojan horse for a casino in the city limits cough cough I mean shiny new stadium, retaining Purnell, not firing their joke of an athletic director, so many of their wounds are self-inflicted.

This is so dumb.

1. Joey Meyer made the Tournament in seven of his first eight years, and was National Coach of the Year in 1987. Hiring him was undoubtedly NOT a mistake. Perhaps you could argue that they kept him too long at the end out of respect for Coach Ray, but he was absolutely the right hire at the time.

2. I loved Alumni Hall. I spent more time there than any other building on campus when I was a student. But the place was a dump. Not even close to being a bad idea to replace it.

3. The Finkl Steel site was and is an environmental disaster. Whoever purchases the site is probably looking at $40 million just to clean it up on top of the expense of purchasing the property before a shovel even hits the ground. DePaul is looking at a $75 million investment at McCormick Place. They'd have been looking at an investment of more than $300 million at Finkl Steel. It would have put the financial stability of the entire University at risk.

I personally cannot claim to have been to Alumni Hall, but the issue here is not Alumni Hall itself, it's the land where Alumni Hall once stood. If I seem annoyed, it's because I've heard DePaul fans many times complain that the reason why they can't get recruits or win games is because students won't come to the games because they're all the way out in Rosemont, but DePaul is stuck because there's nowhere on campus with enough land to build an arena. Well, whose fault is that?

A hypothetical parallel is the Cubs. Imagine the Cubs tore down Wrigley Field, and moved their games to Sox Park. But then, imagine the Cubs redeveloped the land where Wrigley Field is now, to be exclusively condos. If the Cubs then whined that their attendance was suffering because of the move, and whined about there not being enough open land in Lakeview to build a major league baseball stadium closer to their fanbase, no one would feel sorry for them at all. Their problem is one of their own making.

If I recall correctly, the land where Alumni Hall once stood, that's where DePaul's Student Center now is. You can literally build a student center anywhere. It can be big, small, it can be multiple stories to have a small footprint in a dense neighborhood like Lincoln Park, but a basketball arena NEEDS a footprint big enough to put a basketball court and stands down. When DePaul tore down Alumni Hall, they should have announced they were building an 8-10k athletics facility on its site, and that DePaul would play at the United Center in the interim. Yes, they built McGrath, but not on the same site, and it's a much smaller gym shoehorned into a small piece of real estate.

Instead, they stuck it out in Rosemont waaaaay past its sell-by date, and for their new arena, have found one of the few places in the Chicago area that may even be MORE inconvenient than Rosemont, where students are STILL a half hour away from campus by public transit. There seems to have been very little vision in the move, and even less in how to return DePaul to Lincoln Park.

And, Kirk, Even if they had built that 8-10,000 seat arena atop the ruins of Alumni Hall, where would the fans park in large numbers to attend the games there?

[hoyahooligan]

Yes, you do mention some self-inflicted items and we DePaul fans agree on most of those.

But these constant injuries are not.

Suspensions are also self-inflicting in a way. Some other programs do not suspend players as easily as others do. For our Big East member up North from Chicago.....you know what I am talking about.

MU suspends Juan Anderson three games for accepting tickets to a Brewers game.

Vander Blue suspended for a half for being underage in a nightclub

MU Suspends 4 players for a half for breach of team rules at Morgantown.

MU suspends Starting point guard for rivalry game at Madison in 2011 for breach of team rules.

MU imposed one-game suspension against Buzz for recruiting violation for game against UConn in 2013.

Leading scorer suspended for breach of team rules before rivalry game at Madison in 2013

I think it's all those half game suspensions. I remember thinking at the time that those were a joke and that Marquette was super lax for not even suspending a player for a full game.

[Demon22]

If I seem annoyed, it's because I've heard DePaul fans many times complain that the reason why they can't get recruits or win games is because students won't come to the games because they're all the way out in Rosemont, but DePaul is stuck because there's nowhere on campus with enough land to build an arena.

That's a ridiculous. Students will come to watch a good team. I've been there. I've seen it.

When DePaul tore down Alumni Hall, they should have announced they were building an 8-10k athletics facility on its site, and that DePaul would play at the United Center in the interim.

What on Earth makes you think the City of Chicago would allow DePaul to build a 10,000-seat arena in the middle of what's basically a residential neighborhood?

Dirty little secret... DePaul owns more than enough land in and around Lincoln Park to build an arena. But getting a plan like that approved? Nothing but a pipe dream.

[Professor_Bulldog]

I think the new arena will be great for depaul. It may not be on campus, but it is so much better than Rosemont that it can't be anything but a positive for the program

[NJRedman]

I can't feel too bad for DePaul. Over the past 30 years, between hiring Joey Meyer, tearing down Alumni Hall, turning down the Finkl Steel site in favor of getting into bed with Rahm to build a trojan horse for a casino in the city limits cough cough I mean shiny new stadium, retaining Purnell, not firing their joke of an athletic director, so many of their wounds are self-inflicted.

This is so dumb.

1. Joey Meyer made the Tournament in seven of his first eight years, and was National Coach of the Year in 1987. Hiring him was undoubtedly NOT a mistake. Perhaps you could argue that they kept him too long at the end out of respect for Coach Ray, but he was absolutely the right hire at the time.

2. I loved Alumni Hall. I spent more time there than any other building on campus when I was a student. But the place was a dump. Not even close to being a bad idea to replace it.

3. The Finkl Steel site was and is an environmental disaster. Whoever purchases the site is probably looking at $40 million just to clean it up on top of the expense of purchasing the property before a shovel even hits the ground. DePaul is looking at a $75 million investment at McCormick Place. They'd have been looking at an investment of more than $300 million at Finkl Steel. It would have put the financial stability of the entire University at risk.

I personally cannot claim to have been to Alumni Hall, but the issue here is not Alumni Hall itself, it's the land where Alumni Hall once stood. If I seem annoyed, it's because I've heard DePaul fans many times complain that the reason why they can't get recruits or win games is because students won't come to the games because they're all the way out in Rosemont, but DePaul is stuck because there's nowhere on campus with enough land to build an arena. Well, whose fault is that?

A hypothetical parallel is the Cubs. Imagine the Cubs tore down Wrigley Field, and moved their games to Sox Park. But then, imagine the Cubs redeveloped the land where Wrigley Field is now, to be exclusively condos. If the Cubs then whined that their attendance was suffering because of the move, and whined about there not being enough open land in Lakeview to build a major league baseball stadium closer to their fanbase, no one would feel sorry for them at all. Their problem is one of their own making.

If I recall correctly, the land where Alumni Hall once stood, that's where DePaul's Student Center now is. You can literally build a student center anywhere. It can be big, small, it can be multiple stories to have a small footprint in a dense neighborhood like Lincoln Park, but a basketball arena NEEDS a footprint big enough to put a basketball court and stands down. When DePaul tore down Alumni Hall, they should have announced they were building an 8-10k athletics facility on its site, and that DePaul would play at the United Center in the interim. Yes, they built McGrath, but not on the same site, and it's a much smaller gym shoehorned into a small piece of real estate.

Instead, they stuck it out in Rosemont waaaaay past its sell-by date, and for their new arena, have found one of the few places in the Chicago area that may even be MORE inconvenient than Rosemont, where students are STILL a half hour away from campus by public transit. There seems to have been very little vision in the move, and even less in how to return DePaul to Lincoln Park.

I've been to Lincoln Park, no way would a 10K seat arena would fit there. The area isn't built for that.