BIG EAST v. F5

[redmen9194]

It doesn't really matter what we call them does it? I'm doing it only because everyone knows who I'm talking about. Last season everyone was adding the A-10 and we had the American in as well. If that's what they want to call themselves so be it - once we beat them, we can call them losers. notkirk, nice job. You've got the Johnnies perfect. Most teams really added some non-con heft. Seton Hall could use a little upgrade but they will have a young team so it might help. SJHooper - I was at the garden yesterday too. Pretty cool right. After I was talking with a few guys from our section at MSG. if we could win 2 out of four of the NIT games and Cuse and Duke ( with no bad losses) we would be in great shape. Would rather beat Cuse at the Dome than Duke at the Garden, but maybe we get both this time?

[aughnanure]

It doesn't really matter what we call them does it? I'm doing it only because everyone knows who I'm talking about. Last season everyone was adding the A-10 and we had the American in as well. If that's what they want to call themselves so be it - once we beat them, we can call them losers. notkirk, nice job. You've got the Johnnies perfect. Most teams really added some non-con heft. Seton Hall could use a little upgrade but they will have a young team so it might help. SJHooper - I was at the garden yesterday too. Pretty cool right. After I was talking with a few guys from our section at MSG. if we could win 2 out of four of the NIT games and Cuse and Duke ( with no bad losses) we would be in great shape. Would rather beat Cuse at the Dome than Duke at the Garden, but maybe we get both this time?

No, giving into the name they anointed themselves legitimizes the names they refer to other conferences as, specifically the mid-major label. And we shouldn't use "mid-major" on the A-10, AAC, MWC, MVC, WCC, etc either.

[R to the OB]

It doesn't really matter what we call them does it? I'm doing it only because everyone knows who I'm talking about. Last season everyone was adding the A-10 and we had the American in as well. If that's what they want to call themselves so be it - once we beat them, we can call them losers. notkirk, nice job. You've got the Johnnies perfect. Most teams really added some non-con heft. Seton Hall could use a little upgrade but they will have a young team so it might help. SJHooper - I was at the garden yesterday too. Pretty cool right. After I was talking with a few guys from our section at MSG. if we could win 2 out of four of the NIT games and Cuse and Duke ( with no bad losses) we would be in great shape. Would rather beat Cuse at the Dome than Duke at the Garden, but maybe we get both this time?

No, giving into the name they anointed themselves legitimizes the names they refer to other conferences as, specifically the mid-major label. And we shouldn't use "mid-major" on the A-10, AAC, MWC, MVC, WCC, etc either.

Exactly. This is why we should refer to them as any name other than P5 (I like F5 personally). It makes it seem like us and several other multi-bid conferences are "non-power" or worse "not important."

[redmen9194]

Since we have some time before the games actually start, and since notkirk did a nice job lusting the teams, rank the best to worst non-cons in terms of difficulty.

[Amase2]

It doesn't really matter what we call them does it? I'm doing it only because everyone knows who I'm talking about. Last season everyone was adding the A-10 and we had the American in as well. If that's what they want to call themselves so be it - once we beat them, we can call them losers. notkirk, nice job. You've got the Johnnies perfect. Most teams really added some non-con heft. Seton Hall could use a little upgrade but they will have a young team so it might help. SJHooper - I was at the garden yesterday too. Pretty cool right. After I was talking with a few guys from our section at MSG. if we could win 2 out of four of the NIT games and Cuse and Duke ( with no bad losses) we would be in great shape. Would rather beat Cuse at the Dome than Duke at the Garden, but maybe we get both this time?

Hey redmen, if you wouldnt mind, maybe on another thread, sharing with us (me ) your thoughts of the msg practice. Guys who impressed, unimpressed, lavs.. thanks.

And sorry to the rest of the board for goin off topic

[Amase2]

So basically... I think I got everyone...

Butler
North Carolina*
UCLA/Oklahoma*
WIsconsin/UAB/GTown/Florida
Northwestern
@Tennessee
Indiana**

*Battle 4 Atlantis (Bahamas)
**Crossroads Classic in Indianapolis

Creighton
Oklahoma
@Ole Miss
@Nebraska

DePaul
Stanford
@Oregon State
@Colorado

Georgetown
Florida*
Wisconsin/UAB*
Butler/North Carolina/Oklahoma/UCLA*
Kansas
Indiana**

*Battle 4 Atlantis (Bahamas)
**Madison Square Garden

Marquette
@ Ohio State
Georgia Tech*
Michigan State or Rider*
Kansas/Tennessee/Rhode Island/Santa Clara*
Wisconsin
Arizona State

* = Orlando Classic (Formerly the Old Spice)

Providence
Florida State*
Notre Dame*
@ Kentucky
@ Boston College
Miami (FL)**

* Mohegan Sun
** Brooklyn

Seton Hall
Rutgers
@Georgia

St. John's
Minnesota*
Georgia/Gonzaga*
@Syracuse
Duke

* Pre-season NIT

Villanova
Michigan/Oregon*
Illinois**
Syracuse

*Brooklyn
**Madison Square Garden

Xavier
Alabama
@Missouri
@Auburn
@Cincinnati

Super tough to do with a lot of good matchups and tourney where things could get scrambled, but heres my shot:

1.) Gtown
2.)Marquette
3.)Butler
4.) SJU
5.)Prov
6.) Nova
7.)Xavier
8.) Creighton
9.)Depaul
10.) Seton Hall (Forgot to mention they play Wichita State)

[redmen9194]

Amase - sent you a private message

[robinreed]

So basically... I think I got everyone...

Butler
North Carolina*
UCLA/Oklahoma*
WIsconsin/UAB/GTown/Florida
Northwestern
@Tennessee
Indiana**

*Battle 4 Atlantis (Bahamas)
**Crossroads Classic in Indianapolis

Creighton
Oklahoma
@Ole Miss
@Nebraska

DePaul
Stanford
@Oregon State
@Colorado

Georgetown
Florida*
Wisconsin/UAB*
Butler/North Carolina/Oklahoma/UCLA*
Kansas
Indiana**

*Battle 4 Atlantis (Bahamas)
**Madison Square Garden

Xavier
Alabama
@Missouri
@Auburn
@Cincinnati

Cincinnati probably should be in the P5 for football (not necessarily basketball) but they are not. Was your goal to list only P5 opponents? If so Cincinnati should not be listed.

[Hall2012]

So basically... I think I got everyone...

Butler
North Carolina*
UCLA/Oklahoma*
WIsconsin/UAB/GTown/Florida
Northwestern
@Tennessee
Indiana**

*Battle 4 Atlantis (Bahamas)
**Crossroads Classic in Indianapolis

Creighton
Oklahoma
@Ole Miss
@Nebraska

DePaul
Stanford
@Oregon State
@Colorado

Georgetown
Florida*
Wisconsin/UAB*
Butler/North Carolina/Oklahoma/UCLA*
Kansas
Indiana**

*Battle 4 Atlantis (Bahamas)
**Madison Square Garden

Marquette
@ Ohio State
Georgia Tech*
Michigan State or Rider*
Kansas/Tennessee/Rhode Island/Santa Clara*
Wisconsin
Arizona State

* = Orlando Classic (Formerly the Old Spice)

Providence
Florida State*
Notre Dame*
@ Kentucky
@ Boston College
Miami (FL)**

* Mohegan Sun
** Brooklyn

Seton Hall
Rutgers
@Georgia

St. John's
Minnesota*
Georgia/Gonzaga*
@Syracuse
Duke

* Pre-season NIT

Villanova
Michigan/Oregon*
Illinois**
Syracuse

*Brooklyn
**Madison Square Garden

Xavier
Alabama
@Missouri
@Auburn
@Cincinnati

Seton Hall also potentially plays Clemson and LSU in Paradise Jam.

[notkirkcameron]

Updated list reflecting only F5 Opponents (Non-F5s listed in tournament play)

Butler
North Carolina*
UCLA/Oklahoma*
Wisconsin/UAB/GTown/Florida*
Northwestern
@Tennessee
Indiana**

*Battle 4 Atlantis (Bahamas)
**Crossroads Classic in Indianapolis

Creighton
Oklahoma
@Ole Miss
@Nebraska

DePaul
Stanford
@Oregon State
@Colorado

Georgetown
Florida*
Wisconsin/UAB*
Butler/North Carolina/Oklahoma/UCLA*
Kansas
Indiana**

*Battle 4 Atlantis (Bahamas)
**Madison Square Garden

Marquette
@ Ohio State
Georgia Tech*
Michigan State or Rider*
Kansas/Tennessee/Rhode Island/Santa Clara*
Wisconsin
Arizona State

* = Orlando Classic (Formerly the Old Spice)

Providence
Florida State*
Notre Dame*
@ Kentucky
@ Boston College
Miami (FL)**

* Mohegan Sun
** Brooklyn

Seton Hall
Rutgers
Clemson/Gardner Web*
LSU/Old Dominion/Illinois State/Weber State*
@Georgia

* Virgin Islands Paradise Jam. SHU's first game is against Nevada.

St. John's
Minnesota*
Georgia/Gonzaga*
@Syracuse
Duke

* Pre-season NIT

Villanova
Michigan/Oregon*
Illinois**
Syracuse

*Brooklyn
**Madison Square Garden

Xavier
Alabama
@Missouri
@Auburn