Power 5 "autonomy" vote discussion

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Re: Power 5 "autonomy" vote discussion

Postby BillikensWin » Thu Aug 07, 2014 6:05 pm

Professor_Bulldog wrote:I think we'll be fine. I'm interested to see how this impacts the a10 though.

They have a much larger range in terms of school size and endowment. Vcu and slu for example have billion+ endowments while other schools are only in the 50 million range. How does the a-10 manage these different situations? Will these smaller schools be willing to take in the burden of stipends and what not? Will the larger schools have their hands tied by the smaller ones? Maybe they just kick out the smaller schools who are unwilling to adopt the new rules?

Granted this all comes from the mind of a guy who knows nothing about this


The A-10 commissioner has said they will play along. If I'm a SLU or VCU, I'm paying regardless of what the conference says. What's the worst that the A-10 can do? Nothing, nothing at all.
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Postby Natty » Thu Aug 07, 2014 6:53 pm

BillikensWin wrote:
Professor_Bulldog wrote:I think we'll be fine. I'm interested to see how this impacts the a10 though.

They have a much larger range in terms of school size and endowment. Vcu and slu for example have billion+ endowments while other schools are only in the 50 million range. How does the a-10 manage these different situations? Will these smaller schools be willing to take in the burden of stipends and what not? Will the larger schools have their hands tied by the smaller ones? Maybe they just kick out the smaller schools who are unwilling to adopt the new rules?

Granted this all comes from the mind of a guy who knows nothing about this


The A-10 commissioner has said they will play along. If I'm a SLU or VCU, I'm paying regardless of what the conference says. What's the worst that the A-10 can do? Nothing, nothing at all.


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Re: Power 5 "autonomy" vote discussion

Postby admin » Thu Aug 07, 2014 6:57 pm

Natty wrote:
BillikensWin wrote:
Professor_Bulldog wrote:I think we'll be fine. I'm interested to see how this impacts the a10 though.

They have a much larger range in terms of school size and endowment. Vcu and slu for example have billion+ endowments while other schools are only in the 50 million range. How does the a-10 manage these different situations? Will these smaller schools be willing to take in the burden of stipends and what not? Will the larger schools have their hands tied by the smaller ones? Maybe they just kick out the smaller schools who are unwilling to adopt the new rules?

Granted this all comes from the mind of a guy who knows nothing about this


The A-10 commissioner has said they will play along. If I'm a SLU or VCU, I'm paying regardless of what the conference says. What's the worst that the A-10 can do? Nothing, nothing at all.


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I ask, not to inflame, but to be informed: Without a significant revenue producing TV contract, can SLU and VCU afford to?
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Re: Power 5 "autonomy" vote discussion

Postby BillikensWin » Thu Aug 07, 2014 7:24 pm

I ask, not to inflame, but to be informed: Without a significant revenue producing TV contract, can SLU and VCU afford to?


I don't know VCU per se, but I can say that Saint Louis can and will be able to pay the stipends. It will be the price of doing business in the new model. Schools will be forced to pay it whether they can afford it or not. The A-10 would have zero leverage against a school or schools that decided to pay even if they didn't want it to happen.

That was a difficult question to ask without starting an argument...but well done.
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Re: Power 5 "autonomy" vote discussion

Postby Professor_Bulldog » Thu Aug 07, 2014 11:19 pm

BillikensWin wrote:
I ask, not to inflame, but to be informed: Without a significant revenue producing TV contract, can SLU and VCU afford to?


I don't know VCU per se, but I can say that Saint Louis can and will be able to pay the stipends. It will be the price of doing business in the new model. Schools will be forced to pay it whether they can afford it or not. The A-10 would have zero leverage against a school or schools that decided to pay even if they didn't want it to happen.

That was a difficult question to ask without starting an argument...but well done.


Isn't it possible though, that the a10 could vote to not go along with this and preclude their teams from doing so? Not that we know anything concrete really but the admin noted on twitter that "leagues" can adopt this policy but individual schools cannot, I think that's his interpretation of the various statements made today, but still a valid point until we receive further clarification. Say a majority of the a10 says they cant keep up, do the big boys go independent until we scoop them up?

Note: I think the much more likely scenario, if this info is even true, is that the a10 goes with this model and contracts with the smaller schools leaving.
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Re: Power 5 "autonomy" vote discussion

Postby yeti47 » Fri Aug 08, 2014 12:18 am

Do you think do to this vote.....they invite the Major mid majors to join. I feel the Big 5 in football.....knows its a Big 6 in basketball. Will Big east take St Louis Wichita St Dayton and VCU. knowing that all four of these teams will pay for basketball players and are big profile for TV purposes?
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Re: Power 5 "autonomy" vote discussion

Postby Omaha1 » Fri Aug 08, 2014 7:04 am

Professor_Bulldog wrote:
BillikensWin wrote:
I ask, not to inflame, but to be informed: Without a significant revenue producing TV contract, can SLU and VCU afford to?


I don't know VCU per se, but I can say that Saint Louis can and will be able to pay the stipends. It will be the price of doing business in the new model. Schools will be forced to pay it whether they can afford it or not. The A-10 would have zero leverage against a school or schools that decided to pay even if they didn't want it to happen.

That was a difficult question to ask without starting an argument...but well done.


Isn't it possible though, that the a10 could vote to not go along with this and preclude their teams from doing so? Not that we know anything concrete really but the admin noted on twitter that "leagues" can adopt this policy but individual schools cannot, I think that's his interpretation of the various statements made today, but still a valid point until we receive further clarification. Say a majority of the a10 says they cant keep up, do the big boys go independent until we scoop them up?

Note: I think the much more likely scenario, if this info is even true, is that the a10 goes with this model and contracts with the smaller schools leaving.

If I am the A10, I sit down with Fordham and some smaller schools and tell them adios. Figure out a way to add schools like Wichita State and Bradley that have the money and move on as a smaller group.
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Re: Power 5 "autonomy" vote discussion

Postby stever20 » Fri Aug 08, 2014 8:15 am

I think the new power in basketball is going to be the P5, BE, AAC, a morphed A10, and maybe the MWC(with perhaps them adding Gonzaga). That's it.
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Re: Power 5 "autonomy" vote discussion

Postby DudeAnon » Fri Aug 08, 2014 9:31 am

People are overreacting. Any competitive school will be able to do this stipend easily.

Simply put, you could deduct the stipends from the ADs and highest coach's budgets. The benefit of recruiting outweighs the cost of lower pay for coaches and other staff.

That is just one theoretical. But point being, for most in A-10 and AAC, the benefit outweighs the cost.
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