On the Bubble

[NJRedman]

As badly as I want PC in, I just don't think they are anything close to a sure thing. They are just not used to getting there and they have lost a lot of talent. Sure they have the talent to get there, but they won a game SJ shot itself in the foot 10 times in the last few minutes to win in 2 OT. Then they won the other 2. I don't see them as a team that will continue to win games they shouldn't. Maybe 1 here and 1 there but not in a row. I think they are a squarely bubble team. I highly doubt the next time they play SJ we miss another 3 or 4 chances to win in the closing seconds, or give our worst ball handler the ball to get trapped and turn it over. I also highly doubt they beat Creighton again. I think they are one of those teams off to a fast start but will slowly wind down. But there's still the chance that they can keep their foot on the gas.

Seriously, Johnny Boy, why would you doubt St. John's ability to miss another 3 or 4 chances in the closing seconds? It's what they do! And admit it, that's something they're darn good at. So give the Red Storm their due. They are not inconsistent at all when it comes to blowing chances in the closing seconds. You can count on it.

As for the game even coming down to the closing seconds, remember that the next game will be played at the Dunk. An OT game in NYC figures to be a 10 point win for the Friars in Providence. I really don't think you'll have to be worried about blown chances in the closing minutes. The fame shouldn't be close enough for it to matter.

Im sorry Marsh, but aren't you a SLU fan? If so when are they going to win a Big East game? Oh yeah thats riiiiiight.....

[Friars93]

As badly as I want PC in, I just don't think they are anything close to a sure thing. They are just not used to getting there and they have lost a lot of talent. Sure they have the talent to get there, but they won a game SJ shot itself in the foot 10 times in the last few minutes to win in 2 OT. Then they won the other 2. I don't see them as a team that will continue to win games they shouldn't. Maybe 1 here and 1 there but not in a row. I think they are a squarely bubble team. I highly doubt the next time they play SJ we miss another 3 or 4 chances to win in the closing seconds, or give our worst ball handler the ball to get trapped and turn it over. I also highly doubt they beat Creighton again. I think they are one of those teams off to a fast start but will slowly wind down. But there's still the chance that they can keep their foot on the gas.

JohnnyBoy,

We beat St.J's at home last year will less talent then we have now. Carson Derosiers 7"0 (plays 20+ mins and Tyler Harris 6"9 SF (starts) are new and get lots of playing time and we don't have Dunn. We lost a lot of chemistry with Dunn's re-injury and Cotton had to get back to relearning playing the PG position. It took some time, but the team's chemistry is at an all time high and we play enough, very talented players to not get fatigued.

We lost our own Double OT game on mistakes in the final seconds against Seton Hall, its part of playing in a tough league. Otherwise we'd be 6-1.

You win 5 in row against very good competition its not a fluke. We'll lose our share, but we'll be there in the end.

It's not that STJ's cant' get their act together, but worry more about you're own team than us not being the real deal. Good luck at Creighton, it will be a good measuring stick to see if a turnaround is gonna happen or not.

[JohnnyBoy]

Yup because it's just impossible to win at the Dunk. Why do I hear an echo of people saying no way we win at Hinkle and end up winning by nearly 20? The fact is when we have the right guys out there and pass the ball we can take anyone to task. Let's see if PC can keep it up before giving them a bid. As Mack said, they still have plenty of work ahead of them.

[Bill Marsh]

As badly as I want PC in, I just don't think they are anything close to a sure thing. They are just not used to getting there and they have lost a lot of talent. Sure they have the talent to get there, but they won a game SJ shot itself in the foot 10 times in the last few minutes to win in 2 OT. Then they won the other 2. I don't see them as a team that will continue to win games they shouldn't. Maybe 1 here and 1 there but not in a row. I think they are a squarely bubble team. I highly doubt the next time they play SJ we miss another 3 or 4 chances to win in the closing seconds, or give our worst ball handler the ball to get trapped and turn it over. I also highly doubt they beat Creighton again. I think they are one of those teams off to a fast start but will slowly wind down. But there's still the chance that they can keep their foot on the gas.

Seriously, Johnny Boy, why would you doubt St. John's ability to miss another 3 or 4 chances in the closing seconds? It's what they do! And admit it, that's something they're darn good at. So give the Red Storm their due. They are not inconsistent at all when it comes to blowing chances in the closing seconds. You can count on it.

As for the game even coming down to the closing seconds, remember that the next game will be played at the Dunk. An OT game in NYC figures to be a 10 point win for the Friars in Providence. I really don't think you'll have to be worried about blown chances in the closing minutes. The fame shouldn't be close enough for it to matter.

Im sorry Marsh, but aren't you a SLU fan? If so when are they going to win a Big East game? Oh yeah thats riiiiiight.....

Nope. Not a St Louis fan. A Providence fan.

[Bill Marsh]

Yup because it's just impossible to win at the Dunk. Why do I hear an echo of people saying no way we win at Hinkle and end up winning by nearly 20? The fact is when we have the right guys out there and pass the ball we can take anyone to task. Let's see if PC can keep it up before giving them a bid. As Mack said, they still have plenty of work ahead of them.

Didn't say no way that St. John's can win at the Dunk. How could I after sitting through 2 OTs there earlier this month only to watch the Friars lose to Seton Hall? Ugh!

All I did was to factor in the standard points advantage for home court. You made such a big deal about a few bad plays late in the game as though the 2nd time will simply be a replay of the first. I'm only pointing out that St. John's will face bigger challenges than simply avoiding mistakes late in the game. They will also have to overcome a PC home court advantage.

[PawJoe]

As badly as I want PC in, I just don't think they are anything close to a sure thing. They are just not used to getting there and they have lost a lot of talent. Sure they have the talent to get there, but they won a game SJ shot itself in the foot 10 times in the last few minutes to win in 2 OT. Then they won the other 2. I don't see them as a team that will continue to win games they shouldn't. Maybe 1 here and 1 there but not in a row. I think they are a squarely bubble team. I highly doubt the next time they play SJ we miss another 3 or 4 chances to win in the closing seconds, or give our worst ball handler the ball to get trapped and turn it over. I also highly doubt they beat Creighton again. I think they are one of those teams off to a fast start but will slowly wind down. But there's still the chance that they can keep their foot on the gas.

Seriously, Johnny Boy, why would you doubt St. John's ability to miss another 3 or 4 chances in the closing seconds? It's what they do! And admit it, that's something they're darn good at. So give the Red Storm their due. They are not inconsistent at all when it comes to blowing chances in the closing seconds. You can count on it.

As for the game even coming down to the closing seconds, remember that the next game will be played at the Dunk. An OT game in NYC figures to be a 10 point win for the Friars in Providence. I really don't think you'll have to be worried about blown chances in the closing minutes. The fame shouldn't be close enough for it to matter.

Hear Hear Bill! Well said ....

[Westbrook36]

Yup because it's just impossible to win at the Dunk. Why do I hear an echo of people saying no way we win at Hinkle and end up winning by nearly 20? The fact is when we have the right guys out there and pass the ball we can take anyone to task. Let's see if PC can keep it up before giving them a bid. As Mack said, they still have plenty of work ahead of them.

Who was saying the Johnny's couldn't win at Hinkle? In case you haven't noticed Butler at home is 1-4 after your game there. Hardly what one considers a intimating home record. In fact I'd at least ask you to prove that someone did, or otherwise I'd argue that no one(here) said any such thing, well because no one was talking that much about a game between the BE's 2(at the time) cellar dwellers.

Cue a haterade Nova rant in . . . 3, 2, 1

[xu1990]

The last 4 in, the ones that PC has to catch, are Dayton (A10), St. Mary's (WCC), Stanford (PAC 12), and SMU (AAC).




I am not sure how much credence I can give to a bracketology that has a Dayton team, sitting at 1-4 in the Atlantic 10, in the tournament. Providence is worlds ahead of Dayton as of today.

[BillikensWin]

As badly as I want PC in, I just don't think they are anything close to a sure thing. They are just not used to getting there and they have lost a lot of talent. Sure they have the talent to get there, but they won a game SJ shot itself in the foot 10 times in the last few minutes to win in 2 OT. Then they won the other 2. I don't see them as a team that will continue to win games they shouldn't. Maybe 1 here and 1 there but not in a row. I think they are a squarely bubble team. I highly doubt the next time they play SJ we miss another 3 or 4 chances to win in the closing seconds, or give our worst ball handler the ball to get trapped and turn it over. I also highly doubt they beat Creighton again. I think they are one of those teams off to a fast start but will slowly wind down. But there's still the chance that they can keep their foot on the gas.

Seriously, Johnny Boy, why would you doubt St. John's ability to miss another 3 or 4 chances in the closing seconds? It's what they do! And admit it, that's something they're darn good at. So give the Red Storm their due. They are not inconsistent at all when it comes to blowing chances in the closing seconds. You can count on it.

As for the game even coming down to the closing seconds, remember that the next game will be played at the Dunk. An OT game in NYC figures to be a 10 point win for the Friars in Providence. I really don't think you'll have to be worried about blown chances in the closing minutes. The fame shouldn't be close enough for it to matter.

Im sorry Marsh, but aren't you a SLU fan? If so when are they going to win a Big East game? Oh yeah thats riiiiiight.....

I'm a SLU fan. What the hell was that about?

[Westbrook36]

[quote="Bill Marsh]
Seriously, Johnny Boy, why would you doubt St. John's ability to miss another 3 or 4 chances in the closing seconds? It's what they do! And admit it, that's something they're darn good at. So give the Red Storm their due. They are not inconsistent at all when it comes to blowing chances in the closing seconds. You can count on it.

As for the game even coming down to the closing seconds, remember that the next game will be played at the Dunk. An OT game in NYC figures to be a 10 point win for the Friars in Providence. I really don't think you'll have to be worried about blown chances in the closing minutes. The fame shouldn't be close enough for it to matter.[/quote]

Im sorry Marsh, but aren't you a SLU fan? If so when are they going to win a Big East game? Oh yeah thats riiiiiight.....[/quote]

I'm a SLU fan. What the hell was that about?[/quote]

Move along now nothing to see here, just another disgruntled St. John's fan. After a while you hardly notice 'em.