12/9 BE power rankings

[Westbrook36]

Another week, another poll:

My opinion as of this point, plenty of season left for things to change.

1 Villanova
2 Creighton
3 Georgetown
4 Providence
5 St. John's
6 Butler
7 Marquette
8 Xavier
9 Seton Hall
10 DePaul

[IamJack]

I'd bump SHU over X at this point, even if I do think X has better talent. I'll exclude GU from this statement (I have my own complaints about JTiii), but is there a more frustrating/poorly coached team in the league at this point? I watched the Muskies for the second time this year yesterday against BGSU. Even with Semaj out for much of the 1st half, they had a huge talent advantage over bg. Just frustrating to see them not capitalize on it until OT.

[Lavinwood]

No way SHU is over Xavier. Only critique. They lost to one of the worst teams in D1 and have been bad.

[Bill Marsh]

I'd bump SHU over X at this point, even if I do think X has better talent. I'll exclude GU from this statement (I have my own complaints about JTiii), but is there a more frustrating/poorly coached team in the league at this point?

I agree with you about JT III. I really like the guy and his emphasis on solid fundamentals. But he is so committed to the methodical style of Princeton offense that his teams don't seem to have any way to turn up the heat on an opponent when they have them on the run and put that opponent away. The result is that he keeps opponents in the game when they should have no business hanging around as long as they do. Combine that with the high emotions and atmosphere of the NCAA tournament and you have the string of tournament upsets that we've seen in recent years, which is death in a single elimination tournament.

IMO he's got to figure out a way to increase the tempo defensively to force turnovers and take advantage of having the upper hand in a game so he can completely end his opponent's chances when he has his foot on their neck. Allowing teams to hang around simply creates opportunities for losses. The whole Princeton offense is designed to limit shots for both teams and thereby keep the score close so the game is up for grabs in the closing minutes. Carill's plan was to use up 30 seconds of the clock on every possession, so that. A 10-15 point margin is kept within 5-7 points at the end of the game, making it a game that either team can win.

That approach works great for a team Iike Princeton, which is playing with a talent deficit whenever it plays a big time opponent. but how is it to Georgetown's advantage to keep games close with the kind of talent advantage they have?

[hoyahooligan]

I'd bump SHU over X at this point, even if I do think X has better talent. I'll exclude GU from this statement (I have my own complaints about JTiii), but is there a more frustrating/poorly coached team in the league at this point?

I agree with you about JT III. I really like the guy and his emphasis on solid fundamentals. But he is so committed to the methodical style of Princeton offense that his teams don't seem to have any way to turn up the heat on an opponent when they have them on the run and put that opponent away. The result is that he keeps opponents in the game when they should have no business hanging around as long as they do. Combine that with the high emotions and atmosphere of the NCAA tournament and you have the string of tournament upsets that we've seen in recent years, which is death in a single elimination tournament.

IMO he's got to figure out a way to increase the tempo defensively to force turnovers and take advantage of having the upper hand in a game so he can completely end his opponent's chances when he has his foot on their neck. Allowing teams to hang around simply creates opportunities for losses. The whole Princeton offense is designed to limit shots for both teams and thereby keep the score close so the game is up for grabs in the closing minutes. Carill's plan was to use up 30 seconds of the clock on every possession, so that. A 10-15 point margin is kept within 5-7 points at the end of the game, making it a game that either team can win.

That approach works great for a team Iike Princeton, which is playing with a talent deficit whenever it plays a big time opponent. but how is it to Georgetown's advantage to keep games close with the kind of talent advantage they have?

You clearly don't actually watch us play. I'm not going to get into a big debate on our offense which is not the princeton offense and does not milk the clock.

[Bill Marsh]

Another week, another poll:

My opinion as of this point, plenty of season left for things to change.

1 Villanova
2 Creighton
3 Georgetown
4 Providence
5 St. John's
6 Butler
7 Marquette
8 Xavier
9 Seton Hall
10 DePaul

Here's my opinion:

1. Villanova
2. Georgetown
3. Creighton
4. Marquette
5. Butler
6. St. John's
7. Xavier
8. Providence
9. Seton Hall
10. DePaul

[redmen9194]

Here's my go at this...

1.) Villanova
2.) Creighton
3.) Georgetown
4.) St. John's
5.) Providence
6.) Marquette
7.) Butler
8.) Xavier
9.) Seton Hall
10.) DePaul

[hoyahooligan]

1) Villanova
2) Georgetown
3) Creighton
4) Providence
5) St. John's
6) Butler
7) Marquette
8) Xavier
9) Seton Hall
10) DePaul

[billyfa]

With Providence's injuries and suspensions I don't know how you can put them ahead of St. John's. This is what I have:

1. Nova
2. G-town
3. Creighton
4. St. John's
5. Marquette
6. Providence
7. Butler
8. Xavier
9. Seton Hall
10. DePaul

[GumbyDamnit!]

1. Nova
2. G'town
3. Creighton
4. SJU
4. Butler
4. Prov.
4. Xavier
4. Marq.
9. SHU
9. DePaul

Not doing that to be a wise ass but I can find no objective way to rank several of these teams. This league is going to be so unpredictable top to bottom. How many bids do we get with 6 teams finishing 9-9 and tied for 3rd?