Holtmann, Miller, Wade... All Leaving For FB Schools...

[CrawfishBucket]

This phenomenon is a bit off-putting.
Butler, Dayton, and VCU, are 3 of the most plum jobs at basketball-only schools, and given the choice those coaches did not give the choice a second thought. They bolted in the still of the night for football schools.
How does one combat that? Is "The Butler Way" the model everyone in the NBE should use?
Its definitely a big difference between the original Big East and this group.
St Johns and Georgetown may be ahead of the curve with the Mullin and Ewing hires. No matter how they do, they're not going anywhere.
You gotta wonder what McDermott is thinking now that he sees that phat contract Holtmann received. Would it have been easier to replace McDermott as opposed to Holtmann? Hmmm... Creighton probably would have done a national search and gone after 'name' coaches. Otoh, "The Butler Way" will likely promote an assistant as the 10th NBE coach... It should be interesting.
I wonder if the Butler Way redux can stem this tide of coaches leaving Bball schools for FB schools!!?

[DudeAnon]

No shame in losing a coach to Ohio St. or Indiana, shit happens. The fact that Ohio St. was rebuffed by Mack and McDermott is a good sign.

Thing about the Big East is we have a lot of good programs but no real blue bloods like IU or Arizona. Until our good programs elevate themselves to that level then poaching will always be a possibility. Just as it is for any non-blue blood school.

[Outlaw_Wales]

This phenomenon is a bit off-putting.
Butler, Dayton, and VCU, are 3 of the most plum jobs at basketball-only schools, and given the choice those coaches did not give the choice a second thought. They bolted in the still of the night for football schools.
How does one combat that? Is "The Butler Way" the model everyone in the NBE should use?
Its definitely a big difference between the original Big East and this group.
St Johns and Georgetown may be ahead of the curve with the Mullin and Ewing hires. No matter how they do, they're not going anywhere.
You gotta wonder what McDermott is thinking now that he sees that phat contract Holtmann received. Would it have been easier to replace McDermott as opposed to Holtmann? Hmmm... Creighton probably would have done a national search and gone after 'name' coaches. Otoh, "The Butler Way" will likely promote an assistant as the 10th NBE coach... It should be interesting.
I wonder if the Butler Way redux can stem this tide of coaches leaving Bball schools for FB schools!!?

You wonder what McDermott is thinking now? Exactly what he was thinking when he turned OSU down. It was on Twitter the night he was talking to them that they were offering him between $3.1 and $3.5 million per year for somewhere between 5 and 10 years. It's not like he didn't have any clue what they were willing to pay and now will be shocked and regretful.


At the same time that those coaches have left for football schools, several other Big East coaches have passed on offers. It's not like the Big East is losing coaches to football schools with lousy programs - OSU is a big time program, and can pull someone from just about anywhere. No dire signal about the conference in the third or fourth coach from the conference approached finally saying yes to that job and that money.

[GoldenWarrior11]

Jay Wright - "Don't mess with happy."

From a Marquette perspective, we have lost Kevin O'Neill (Tennessee), Tom Crean (Indiana) and Buzz (VT) to football schools in the past 25 years. Each time, many within the fan base would proclaim that the sky is falling, that we couldn't compete with the money of big state schools, and that we are simply down on the ladder in the college basketball hierarchy. Malarkey. That line of thinking, especially with Butler right now, is nonsense.

O'Neill and Crean did not reach the same level of success at their following schools, and Buzz's tenure at VT is too early to tell. The reality of life is that there will always be some - in every profession - that will want more and believe the grass to be greener on the other side. What our ten schools offer is unlike any other conference or collection of schools in the country. We are not only basketball-first schools, but we don't have football competing for its affection. We are all in big cities with big arenas and passionate fan bases that care about big-time men's basketball. There is not a single one of our programs defined by a singular coach or era. We all have a collection of coaches that have built our respective programs into what they are today, and because of that foundation and our past success, we will always be ready to hire the next great coach for the next great run of our programs.

Losing Holtmann is disappointing, but I am truly excited to see who Butler's next coach will be because there is the potential there for a tenure that will be even better than Holtmann's. Good luck to Holtmann at OSU. He got a huge long contract that could, potentially, be his last coaching stop in his career.

[Doge McDermott]

Indiana is a football school now? No shame in losing a coach to a blueblood. Do you also consider UNC or Kansas football schools, too? Besides, A10 to Big 10 is a no-brainer. Much like two of their schools jumped to the Big East, they shouldn't be surprised when their coaches jump to bigger schools.

If, on Monday, you had put out the question "Which coach is most likely to leave?" Holtmann and Wojo would be at the top of everybody's list. Very tenuous ties to the schools, recently promoted to HC, etc. Willard might be the only other coach remotely close to getting poached. It sucks, but it won't hurt the overall brand. Butler will be top 25 next year.

McDermott said he's going to be coach "for life." Mack has turned down so many schools we might as well start calling him Lil' Jon. Cooley is at his dream job. Wright is in the middle of building a goddam dynasty. Mullin and Ewing? Ha. Get real. Leitao is on his rehab tour.

I appreciate you stirring shit on a Friday afternoon in the summer, but this is a dumb post, and you should feel bad about it.

[BEXU]

Nobody gives a crap about Miller or Wade....A-10 schools.

[EMT]

Nobody gives a crap about Miller or Wade....A-10 schools.

Exactly....What a stupid post...

[mel ott]

This phenomenon is a bit off-putting.
Butler, Dayton, and VCU, are 3 of the most plum jobs at basketball-only schools, and given the choice those coaches did not give the choice a second thought. They bolted in the still of the night for football schools.
How does one combat that? Is "The Butler Way" the model everyone in the NBE should use?
Its definitely a big difference between the original Big East and this group.
St Johns and Georgetown may be ahead of the curve with the Mullin and Ewing hires. No matter how they do, they're not going anywhere.
You gotta wonder what McDermott is thinking now that he sees that phat contract Holtmann received. Would it have been easier to replace McDermott as opposed to Holtmann? Hmmm... Creighton probably would have done a national search and gone after 'name' coaches. Otoh, "The Butler Way" will likely promote an assistant as the 10th NBE coach... It should be interesting.
I wonder if the Butler Way redux can stem this tide of coaches leaving Bball schools for FB schools!!?

You wonder what McDermott is thinking now? Exactly what he was thinking when he turned OSU down. It was on Twitter the night he was talking to them that they were offering him between $3.1 and $3.5 million per year for somewhere between 5 and 10 years. It's not like he didn't have any clue what they were willing to pay and now will be shocked and regretful.


At the same time that those coaches have left for football schools, several other Big East coaches have passed on offers. It's not like the Big East is losing coaches to football schools with lousy programs - OSU is a big time program, and can pull someone from just about anywhere. No dire signal about the conference in the third or fourth coach from the conference approached finally saying yes to that job and that money.

Exactly- dumb post. Very telling that the top coaches they were after were mostly Big East Coaches and most of them said no. The football 5 coaches- unless you're in the top 2 of each conference for the most part- no upside. Big East coaches are all top notch- the reason that the football schools want them.

[Bill Marsh]

No shame in losing a coach to Ohio St. or Indiana, shit happens. The fact that Ohio St. was rebuffed by Mack and McDermott is a good sign.

Thing about the Big East is we have a lot of good programs but no real blue bloods like IU or Arizona.

Arizona is a blue blood???

Villanova and Georgetown have both accomplished more in the modern era than Arizona. Butler has accomplished more recently and St John's has accomplished more in the overall history of their program.

[EMT]

Jay Wright - "Don't mess with happy."

From a Marquette perspective, we have lost Kevin O'Neill (Tennessee), Tom Crean (Indiana) and Buzz (VT) to football schools in the past 25 years. Each time, many within the fan base would proclaim that the sky is falling, that we couldn't compete with the money of big state schools, and that we are simply down on the ladder in the college basketball hierarchy. Malarkey. That line of thinking, especially with Butler right now, is nonsense.

O'Neill and Crean did not reach the same level of success at their following schools, and Buzz's tenure at VT is too early to tell. The reality of life is that there will always be some - in every profession - that will want more and believe the grass to be greener on the other side. What our ten schools offer is unlike any other conference or collection of schools in the country. We are not only basketball-first schools, but we don't have football competing for its affection. We are all in big cities with big arenas and passionate fan bases that care about big-time men's basketball. There is not a single one of our programs defined by a singular coach or era. We all have a collection of coaches that have built our respective programs into what they are today, and because of that foundation and our past success, we will always be ready to hire the next great coach for the next great run of our programs.

Losing Holtmann is disappointing, but I am truly excited to see who Butler's next coach will be because there is the potential there for a tenure that will be even better than Holtmann's. Good luck to Holtmann at OSU. He got a huge long contract that could, potentially, be his last coaching stop in his career.

Unless you are going to a blue blood or close to blue blood football school, it's a tough gig. Look at NC State or Illinois or Tennessee or Va Tech. Football schools yes but tons of Bball coaching turnover over the years. And if you want to coach after you flame out at a football school? Who's been successful later? I'm sure there are some...

Here's OSU's past recent coaches:

1. Gary Williams - Bailed to go to Maryland after 3 years
2. Randy Ayers - Never coached in college again
3. Jim O'Brien - Fired under a cloud of controversy
4. Thad Matta - ???