30-Second Shot Clock Under Consideration...

[stever20]

Elite PG's that can defend as well become even more important if the clock goes to 30. A little pressure in the backcourt and you are looking at 20 seconds to run your offense. PG's that can create for themselves and others are going to be worth there weight in gold.

Yeah pressing will become much more important. Will be interesting to see how it impacts a coach like Shaka Smart at Texas. It could make a huge difference there...

And I really think it's not a matter of if now. I think it's probably almost a certainty. I think when the data came back that the offenses were actually more efficient in even the small sample size, it pretty much sealed the deal.

[billyjack]

College football:
40 second play clock.
2 yards and a pile of dust.
320 pound lineman get up and stroll into the huddle.
Ref spots the ball, 40 seconds on clock.
Teams line up at the line of scrimmage.
34 on play clock.
Quarterback goes under center, barks some play.
29 seconds on clock.
Quarterback steps away from line, walks over towards the tight end, listens to coaches yell on sideline.
Quarterback goes back under center... 24, 23, 22...
Fans stand around like dunces as the play clock ticks down... 19, 18, 17...
Apparently football fans love this stuff...
But there's been a "public outcry" on 35 seconds in hoops.

[stever20]

College football:
40 second play clock.
2 yards and a pile of dust.
320 pound lineman get up and stroll into the huddle.
Ref spots the ball, 40 seconds on clock.
Teams line up at the line of scrimmage.
34 on play clock.
Quarterback goes under center, barks some play.
29 seconds on clock.
Quarterback steps away from line, walks over towards the tight end, listens to coaches yell on sideline.
Quarterback goes back under center... 24, 23, 22...
Fans stand around like dunces as the play clock ticks down... 19, 18, 17...
Apparently football fans love this stuff...
But there's been a "public outcry" on 35 seconds in hoops.

You must not have watched much college football in years. Watch an Oregon, Ohio St, Auburn, Baylor- and others- they run upwards of 90 plays per game. If anything the thing has been can we artificially slow them down.

[DudeAnon]

College football:
40 second play clock.
2 yards and a pile of dust.
320 pound lineman get up and stroll into the huddle.
Ref spots the ball, 40 seconds on clock.
Teams line up at the line of scrimmage.
34 on play clock.
Quarterback goes under center, barks some play.
29 seconds on clock.
Quarterback steps away from line, walks over towards the tight end, listens to coaches yell on sideline.
Quarterback goes back under center... 24, 23, 22...
Fans stand around like dunces as the play clock ticks down... 19, 18, 17...
Apparently football fans love this stuff...
But there's been a "public outcry" on 35 seconds in hoops.

That is the most apples to oranges comparison possible.

1) CFB and NFL have the same play clock I believe. Whereas the NCAAB has a 50% longer shot clock.

2) CFB scoring is doing fine whereas NCAAB probably had a majority of games with one team scoring under 60 points.

[billyjack]

Any football... NFL, College, USFL, WFL, NFL Europe... every football game except maybe Arena Football and maybe in Canada...

It's huddles, quarterback set for the snap for 10 seconds at least, commercials up the ying-yang... any team up 10 with the ball in the 4th quarter uses every second of the play clock. The last Patriots game I went to, it's 75% standing around waiting for action. Having to stand up 60 times for people getting up to get food. The most fun was spent searching the crowd for hot women.

Watching at home is worse.
My favorite:
Make sure to stay for all 15 minutes of this sequence...
1. Team scores.
2. Commercial.
3. Team kicks off.
4. Commercial.
5. Team runs a play.
6. End of quarter.
7. Commercial.
8. Gameplay resumes.

In a 3.5 hour football game, you get 15 minutes of actual gameplay, max. Unless you consider it gameplay when the quarterback and sideline coaches bark at each other.

The first point is that football fans are apparently fine with 3 hours and 15 minutes of no action, at a 3.5 hour game.
It's totally an apples to apples comparison.
How much gameplay occurs in each sport?
How much non-action occurs in each sport?

The second point is that eliminating 2 timeouts per team in hoops eliminates 8+ minutes of non-action.
Reducing the shot clock doesn't address the non-action issue.

[stever20]

eliminating 2 timeouts per team would not eliminate 8 minutes of non action. The timeouts are 30 second timeouts. So it would be 2 minutes of non action tops. The timeouts that are the 2 minute ones are the TV timeouts. Those aren't going away.

Bottom line, the shot clock will be going down to 30 seconds. I don't even know if there's much of a faction to try to stop it any more.

[XtoDC]

This seems relevant at this point in the discussion:

[stever20]

30 second shot clock is here....
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketb ... peed-games

30 second shot clock
restricted area moved out 1 foot
1 fewer timeout
coaches not allowed to call timeouts in live ball situations
timeouts within 30 seconds of tv timeout rolled into the tv timeout.

Alongside the larger restricted area, other pieces of the rules committee's puzzle include renewed calls for officials to hew to the 2013 changes policing physical play. The committee explicitly named perimeter defense on the dribble, physicality in post play, screening, and movement away from the ball as its most important officiating changes.

Hopefully the officials will actually not cave in to the coaches this time, and the game will improve considerably.

[stever20]

big changes in the women's game as well:
http://espn.go.com/womens-college-baske ... ers-halves

4 10 minute quarters
1 tv timeout(I'm assuming 5 minutes in)
2 ft after 5 fouls(fouls reset each quarter)

biggest change though:
The committee also wants to change the 10-second backcourt rule that was put in place last season. A team will no longer receive a new 10 seconds following a defensive deflection out of bounds, a held ball with no change in team control or a technical foul assessed to the defensive team.
"That will be great," Walz said. "You play really great defense and now they can't get bailed out as easily."
Shafer said the men also will be adopting the 10-second rule change.

that's a huge game changer- and one that looks like will impact the mens game as well..... The VCU style of play is going to become a lot more prevalent in college basketball- a lot more pressing than we've seen here in recent years.